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Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by suryon » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 6:26 PM UTC

elipsey wrote: post #271

mizzao wrote: post #224

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It seems like running in a VM is a much more attractive option than dual booting these days. The performance hit is negligible (especially with 16GB RAM), you can use both OSes at the same time, and you can use all the native Windows touch/pen drivers and have them carry over to the VM.

Good point, but not ideal for everyone. Especially with IOMMU and an SSD, performance isn't so bad when it works. I haven't liked the overhead with this in the past though, plus no full disk encryption, (although I guess you could do it in the guest), and Windows security in general, and bad 3D drivers for the guest (compositing please), and anything that wants low level hardware access is out. So if you don't actual…

Windows security in general is better than Linux security in general.Unless you are running Grsec/PaX but hey i do not believe you do that on desktop.

Also you can still run EMET on Windows.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by sidcool » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 6:27 PM UTC

I cannot open this page somehow. It's accessible on my mobile data, but not from broadband. In fact, no Microsoft sites are opening. What could be the reason?

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by r-w » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 6:28 PM UTC

Karunamon wrote: post #374

Someone1234 wrote: post #246

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Cumbersome or you just aren't familiar with it yet? The whole design of PS is meant to make it so you can "guess" the names of cmdlets you've never used before. Everything is Verb-Noun, Get-Service, New-Service, Restart-Service, Stop-Service, etc. Discoverability is valued over succinctness.

Which is fine when you're starting out, but infinitely frustrating after you have an idea of what you're doing. A recent example, looking for errors in windows logs: Get-Childitem "C:\Windows\" -recurse -Include *.log ` | Select-String "Error" -ErrorAction SilentlyContinue ` | Group-Object filename | Sort-Object count -descending Closest *NIX analogue I can think of would be grep -r Error /var/log/ | sort English is…

Try links and environment variables to substitute long commands and flags, respectively. Fine, it’s not there by default, but as a power user you have the ability to adapt it to your needs. (That would also be a cool fix to release on GitHub for others like you to use as well. Yay hackability!)

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by 6stringmerc » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 6:29 PM UTC

ape4 wrote: post #355

6stringmerc wrote: post #266

If this doesn't convince musicians and DJs to more seriously consider the Microsoft Surface line of products, I don't know if it's possible. Personally I love the look of this, and in time, will have it earmarked as a replacement for my Lenovo X class ultrabook. I'm impressed.

Of course, the page has a photo of DJ using it. What about a developer ;)

Haha yeah of course they'll advertise a DJ because it's a hip kind of gig! Makes sense!

I see developers as - stereotypically - having a better understanding of hardware and software interaction. As in, a developer who likes Linux could see the Surface Book as a hardware platform.

In my experience, DJs and music types have been traditionally drawn to Apple products for three main reasons: 1. Ease of use, 2. Stability, and 3. Native low-latency drivers.

There is a pretty worthy backlash regarding the new Apple single USB-C unveiling, and from my perspective, the iOS vs. full OS fork is only getting worse from a creative user standpoint...if Apple continues to push the way the have in the past (dropping multiple USB ports like they dropped optical drives), musicians might be reminded of the fiasco surrounding the Final Cut product in recent memory.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by niels_olson » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 6:29 PM UTC

gdulli wrote: post #222

cdnsteve wrote: post #140

Could be a MBP replacement for developers. The only thing is those of us running on OS X, how is Windows 10? I love my command line and linux like commands and tools. - Homebrew - Bash scripts - Docker (Windows 10 currently not supported) - Vagrant I just feel the tooling for MS isn't in the direction I am. I still have a Windows 7 desktop and it's just not the same.

I use Windows as a desktop but have it host a VirtualBox Linux VM for my real work because I don't find either Windows or OSX acceptable for serious Linux development. OSX is actually more insidious because it sort of looks like Linux and makes you think it just about can be Linux, but it's just not. Under VirtualBox my development environment can match my production environment almost completely. There's no awkward…

Can I send analysis work from ipython within VMWare to the GPU?

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by gdulli » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 6:29 PM UTC

swah wrote: post #361

sorenjan wrote: post #244

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Using VMWare Workstation fullscreen in Windows 10 is great, since Microsoft finally added virtual desktops. Just put the cursor on the toolbar at the top of the screen (to send keyboard input to the host) and press Ctrl+Win+Left/Right to quickly switch between VMs or host desktop.

Is VMWare easier than Virtualbox in sharing files between guest and host? I can never get Shared Folders to work on Virtuabox, and end up configuring Samba.

I've found that Samba is better than the shared folders feature because it understands Linux file permissions better. Also Samba is a more transferrable skill and will work the same way if I switch to another virtualization product.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by niels_olson » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 6:30 PM UTC

r-w wrote: post #402

exelius wrote: post #342

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And this is why most people on HN can't down vote comments.

And why the people who can get to decide who can’t.

really? How's that work? Or is it just a subset?

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by DuskStar » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 6:30 PM UTC

liquidise wrote: post #397

aresant wrote: post #366

Wow, this page is a mess - here's an element based breakdown of the switching elements in their presentation: MSFT: - nav 1 - nav 2 - header with what sounds like a call to action, but no button to buy? - hero image with text overlaid that has terrible contrast nobody will read - inter-page menus with some insane zooming function that scared my browser - another hero image - 3 columns - maybe buttons? no not clickabl…

Page on a full sized browser on a 13" screen with ublock: https://www.dropbox.com/s/gmyi3jjwq25w0d1/surface_book.png?d...

Similarly, on a 13" 1080p chromebook, I get this: http://i.imgur.com/pGhjAwQ.png

Turning uBlock off didn't seem to help at all.

Edit: after letting it load for 3+ minutes, the page does load successfully, giving this: http://i.imgur.com/qnNlvYj.png So maybe it does work! Eventually.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by gdulli » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 6:30 PM UTC

bduerst wrote: post #310

sorenjan wrote: post #244

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Using VMWare Workstation fullscreen in Windows 10 is great, since Microsoft finally added virtual desktops. Just put the cursor on the toolbar at the top of the screen (to send keyboard input to the host) and press Ctrl+Win+Left/Right to quickly switch between VMs or host desktop.

What's the i/o latency (clicks, typing, etc.) on linux VMs in W10? Is it a native VM? Two years ago I was using VMware in W7, but ended up dual booting Linux since the lag was so annoying.

The VM is native on the Windows machine and there's zero latency. Not that I've ever detected, anyway. I've been using this setup for 5 years.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by overgryphon » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 6:32 PM UTC

Karunamon wrote: post #374

Someone1234 wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cumbersome or you just aren't familiar with it yet? The whole design of PS is meant to make it so you can "guess" the names of cmdlets you've never used before. Everything is Verb-Noun, Get-Service, New-Service, Restart-Service, Stop-Service, etc. Discoverability is valued over succinctness.

Which is fine when you're starting out, but infinitely frustrating after you have an idea of what you're doing. A recent example, looking for errors in windows logs: Get-Childitem "C:\Windows\" -recurse -Include *.log ` | Select-String "Error" -ErrorAction SilentlyContinue ` | Group-Object filename | Sort-Object count -descending Closest *NIX analogue I can think of would be grep -r Error /var/log/ | sort English is…

Lots of powershell cmdlets have aliases too. They are less discoverable than the verb-noun names, but for cmdlets I use often they are great. Get-ChildItem is aliased to gci, ls, and dir.