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Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by Touche » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 6:14 PM UTC

Someone1234 wrote: post #246

mpweiher wrote: post #172

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> PowerShell = bash While a great fan of PowerShell in theory , in practice it seems to be extremely cumbersome. Sort of the opposite of bash and other Unix shells, which suck in theory and are very useful/convenient/powerful in practice.

Cumbersome or you just aren't familiar with it yet? The whole design of PS is meant to make it so you can "guess" the names of cmdlets you've never used before. Everything is Verb-Noun, Get-Service, New-Service, Restart-Service, Stop-Service, etc. Discoverability is valued over succinctness.

> Cumbersome or you just aren't familiar with it yet?

Cumbersome. To create my own cmdlet that does the cool stuff Powershell can do (as far as piping) my choices are a terrible language like ps1 or .NET.

On Unix I can use pretty much whatever I want because the shell isn't tied to a specific runtime.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by kbhn » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 6:14 PM UTC

ableal wrote: post #372

dang wrote: post #347

We merged https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10340117 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10340022 hither, since there shouldn't be three stories about this on the front page. Since the live event looks done now, we've picked (what I think is?) the most significant product URL to change to from http://www.microsoft.com/october2015event/en-us/live-event . If anyone suggests a better URL we can change it again.

Found prices and specs here (redirected from surface.com): http://www.microsoft.com/surface/en-us Page's not looking too good on Mac Safari, though.

Not looking too good on Chrome either right now.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by acaloiar » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 6:15 PM UTC

This looks like a great step in the right direction for Microsoft, but their marketing copy, "Use it like a clipboard" is profoundly jarring. Why is Microsoft afraid to use the word "tablet"? Clipboard is hardly a synonym.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by r-w » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 6:15 PM UTC

aresant wrote: post #366

Wow, this page is a mess - here's an element based breakdown of the switching elements in their presentation: MSFT: - nav 1 - nav 2 - header with what sounds like a call to action, but no button to buy? - hero image with text overlaid that has terrible contrast nobody will read - inter-page menus with some insane zooming function that scared my browser - another hero image - 3 columns - maybe buttons? no not clickabl…

Respect for detailed analysis and quote.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by kyriakos » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 6:15 PM UTC

whatever_dude wrote: post #226

NDizzle wrote: post #104

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I had a long discussion a few weeks ago with some friends about how in the short term, Apple messed up with iOS/OS X while Microsoft took the hard, long, correct route and made the OS work in both places. This was after the launch of the iPad Pro which is xbox-huge. I was imagining a product which was a MacBook "Base" which you could connect an iPad to as the 'screen' - except you'd have two different OSes that you'd…

This right here. I'm almost afraid it might be too late for them, but Microsoft has been doing it right time and time again with their hardware, and now with their OS (at least after 8.1). I've been a Windows user since 3.11, but I'm always on the verge of switching over to OSX as my main dev/personal machine... Windows 10 & the Surface Pro have been able to at least delay this switch this time around. Microsoft is t…

Same here. Been using Windows forever and Android for mobile. If Google releases their apps for Windows Phone I might give it a go.

I believe the idea of Continuum is targeted to light Office users, people who work on basic spreadsheets and word. It has a target market but I am not sure how big it is.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by hcurtiss » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 6:15 PM UTC

Someone1234 wrote: post #87

nogridbag wrote: post #43

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I spent about 1 hour in the Microsoft Store playing with the SP3. I loved toying with it, but I knew that if I wanted to use it for serious software development I would probably dock it with a real keyboard. The Surface Book seems to be the answer. Truly amazing.

I own one and that is definitely my experience. Most tablets are content consumption devices only. The SP3 allowed you to be a "little" productive on the go with a type keyboard, and a "lot" productive in the office with a dock and a real keyboard. If you want to be fully productive on the go, then I'd agree that buying a full laptop (e.g. Thinkpad, MBP) makes a lot of sense, and even then I'd still plug in a real mo…

Wow. I've used a SP3 hard for about a year now. I charge nightly, throw it in my bag daily, and cart it from meeting to meeting all day long. It's been great. I find the touchpad is excellent, I've not had problems with overheating (I mostly use Chrome and Office applications), and I'm happy with the power cord. My only critique is that the keyboard is a little louder than I'd like, and for that reason I'm considering buying the SP4 keyboard.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by Touche » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 6:16 PM UTC

Karunamon wrote: post #374

Someone1234 wrote: post #246

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Cumbersome or you just aren't familiar with it yet? The whole design of PS is meant to make it so you can "guess" the names of cmdlets you've never used before. Everything is Verb-Noun, Get-Service, New-Service, Restart-Service, Stop-Service, etc. Discoverability is valued over succinctness.

Which is fine when you're starting out, but infinitely frustrating after you have an idea of what you're doing. A recent example, looking for errors in windows logs: Get-Childitem "C:\Windows\" -recurse -Include *.log ` | Select-String "Error" -ErrorAction SilentlyContinue ` | Group-Object filename | Sort-Object count -descending Closest *NIX analogue I can think of would be grep -r Error /var/log/ | sort English is…

I'd also wager Select-String is an order of magnitude slower than grep or ag.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by abhinavk » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 6:16 PM UTC

bduerst wrote: post #310

sorenjan wrote: post #244

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Using VMWare Workstation fullscreen in Windows 10 is great, since Microsoft finally added virtual desktops. Just put the cursor on the toolbar at the top of the screen (to send keyboard input to the host) and press Ctrl+Win+Left/Right to quickly switch between VMs or host desktop.

What's the i/o latency (clicks, typing, etc.) on linux VMs in W10? Is it a native VM? Two years ago I was using VMware in W7, but ended up dual booting Linux since the lag was so annoying.

I never had any problems on hosts with VT-x.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by pcunite » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 6:16 PM UTC

sorenjan wrote: post #244

gdulli wrote: post #222

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I use Windows as a desktop but have it host a VirtualBox Linux VM for my real work because I don't find either Windows or OSX acceptable for serious Linux development. OSX is actually more insidious because it sort of looks like Linux and makes you think it just about can be Linux, but it's just not. Under VirtualBox my development environment can match my production environment almost completely. There's no awkward…

Using VMWare Workstation fullscreen in Windows 10 is great, since Microsoft finally added virtual desktops. Just put the cursor on the toolbar at the top of the screen (to send keyboard input to the host) and press Ctrl+Win+Left/Right to quickly switch between VMs or host desktop.

Cool, that was always my problem with VirtualBox, namely I could not minimize it the way I wanted.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by r-w » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 6:16 PM UTC

Rantenki wrote: post #377

aresant wrote: post #366

Wow, this page is a mess - here's an element based breakdown of the switching elements in their presentation: MSFT: - nav 1 - nav 2 - header with what sounds like a call to action, but no button to buy? - hero image with text overlaid that has terrible contrast nobody will read - inter-page menus with some insane zooming function that scared my browser - another hero image - 3 columns - maybe buttons? no not clickabl…

Agreed. Adblock totally breaks the rendering as well.

I’m on mobile. More so than usual?