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Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by swah » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 6:06 PM UTC

sorenjan wrote: post #244

gdulli wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use Windows as a desktop but have it host a VirtualBox Linux VM for my real work because I don't find either Windows or OSX acceptable for serious Linux development. OSX is actually more insidious because it sort of looks like Linux and makes you think it just about can be Linux, but it's just not. Under VirtualBox my development environment can match my production environment almost completely. There's no awkward…

Using VMWare Workstation fullscreen in Windows 10 is great, since Microsoft finally added virtual desktops. Just put the cursor on the toolbar at the top of the screen (to send keyboard input to the host) and press Ctrl+Win+Left/Right to quickly switch between VMs or host desktop.

Is VMWare easier than Virtualbox in sharing files between guest and host? I can never get Shared Folders to work on Virtuabox, and end up configuring Samba.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by chiph » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 6:06 PM UTC

codeulike wrote: post #46

The Lumia 950 docked into a screen and keyboard was pretty interesting

The computing power in a modern smartphone is amazing, to allow something like that to actually be usable.

I imagine some companies might think about equipping their mobile employees with Lumias for when they're out of the office, and the dock adapter for when they're back in the office. Sales, insurance agents, car inspectors - any job where they go on site, but return to the office afterwards.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by pcunite » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 6:06 PM UTC

MatthiasP wrote: post #276

That's what the OEMs get for not being able to put out a laptop that could compete with Apple in all those years, they always managed to introduce some fatal flaw in their premium laptops, from weird keyboard layouts to bad fan management software. Let's hope the Surface Book will be succesful and Apple finally gets serious competition in the premium laptop market.

Exactly this ... outside of ThinkPad, many Windows hardware options have been pretty embarrassing.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by melling » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 6:06 PM UTC

WorldWideWayne wrote: post #307

melling wrote: post #272

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It is irrelevant this year. Next year it'll ship on tens of millions of PC's. It's certainly not a deal breaker but it would have been a nice to have this year on a small form factor device. It also doubles the throughput of the older standard. It's a $1500 device so people who buy it will probably be using it in 4-5 years. I'd rather spend $20 on an adapter cable now and be able to support the better standard next y…

So you'll get it next year then. I don't get why you have to be a prick about it though by saying that Apple or Google are somehow "more progressive" and then turn around and call someone else's response irrelevant and pointless when you just admitted that your entire concern is basically irrelevant right now.

Next year is 3 months away. Who wants to drop $1500 and buy a new device in 12 months?

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by jtwebman » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 6:06 PM UTC

exelius wrote: post #301

pcunite wrote: post #249

What Microsoft has done today is prove they're very focused about providing a top of the line personal computing experience. You can argue about server, but when it comes to applications (which are floating windows), Microsoft Windows has proven they can keep that title for their operating system. I'm glad to see them take ownership over the hardware. That has always been the black mark. I build my own PCs and always…

Microsoft's server software is actually top-notch and has been for years. Server 2003 was rough, but after that MS really started improving the management tools and allowing a lot more command line via powershell, etc. And in corporate America, Microsoft's Server products are near-ubiquitous. Consider that most of the in-house workflow tools at any company are built in Sharepoint -- and Sharepoint is actually a great…

I think you been living in a Microsoft world for to long. Many companies use far more Linux servers then Microsoft.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by aresant » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 6:06 PM UTC

Wow, this page is a mess - here's an element based breakdown of the switching elements in their presentation:

MSFT:

- nav 1

- nav 2

- header with what sounds like a call to action, but no button to buy?

- hero image with text overlaid that has terrible contrast nobody will read

- inter-page menus with some insane zooming function that scared my browser

- another hero image

- 3 columns - maybe buttons? no not clickable.

- another hero image

- 3 more columns - maybe buttons? no not clickable.

- another hero image

- 3 more columns - maybe buttons? no not clickable.

- 2 columns marketing other products? maybe buttons? yes - those little ">" things mean they're clickable i guess.

- 3 more columns - maybe buttons? ok now they're buttons. but there's no ">"?

- another hero image with a price action, no button to click to follow the action! WTF!

VS vs the iPad Pro http://www.apple.com/ipad-pro/ which is single column and nav consistent throughout.

As the old quote goes "If I'd had more time I would have written a shorter letter."

Feels rushed.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by gcb0 » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 6:06 PM UTC

tell me the didn't remove true multitasking from windows (pro no less)

faq got me very worried:

""" Can I run multiple programs at the same time?

A: Your Surface Book allows you to run up to two apps side by side on a screen at a time. You can schedule meetings on your calendar while you respond to email, or edit your PowerPoint deck while you listen to music. """

up to two ...what?!?!

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by kyriakos » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 6:07 PM UTC

ZanyProgrammer wrote: post #182

pvnick wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed windows for development is not always as streamlined as a unix-based system like OS X. I use a surface pro 3 with windows 8.1 and wrote a python script that opens a cygwin terminal at the top of my screen to provide Guake-like functionality for windows. Most development work I do however is done within a Ubuntu virtual machine, but then again I've usually been doing web development over the past couple years.

Someday someone should write a book published by one of the tech book publishers about how to set up non Visual Studio dev environments on Windows (RoR, Django, PHP/MySQL, etc). It seems like things have gotten to the point where developing on Windows == MSFT dev tools, and everything else is Mac/*nix.

been using windows for web development for a long time. almost every tool comes with windows support. there are some exceptions but there are always alternatives.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by ksherlock » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 6:07 PM UTC

rbnacharya wrote: post #76

Anybody have any idea about memory? How much gigs of RAM it compromises ?

* 128GB / Core Intel i5 - 8GB ($1499)

* 256GB / Core Intel i5 - 8GB ($1699)

* 256GB / Core Intel i5 - 8GB / dGPU ($1899)

* 256GB / Core Intel i7 - 8GB / dGPU ($2099)

* 512GB / Core Intel i7 - 16GB / dGPU ($2699)

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by zantana » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 6:07 PM UTC

pjspycha wrote: post #85

codeulike wrote: post #69

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True, yeah. It seems theres a lot of batteries under the keyboard so it might be ok.

Makes you wonder how good the battery life of the tablet will be. There has to be some trade offs? If they pull this off thou.. I'll line up for one.

I have a bay trail asus T200 which is a similar, albeit low-end, device.

The problem for me, under Windows 8.1, has been getting the machine to enter a true low power sleep state. If the machine enters the true low power state than it can work like a tablet, and if you use it lightly (say an hour a night) you can get a week's worth of use without recharging.

Unfortunately if any of the hardware components doesn't go to the low power state, the device will likely be dead or close to it if you don't use it for a day. Microsoft has a utility which tells you which component is keeping device from powering down, but doesn't tell you what software is causing this behavior. Windows 10 is supposed to improve this, but you can't turn off windows update so you lose one way to fight the battery drain.

One way you can fight this, besides plugging it in every night, is powering it down when you are finished, which isn't as bad as it seems because the device boots cold in about 5 seconds.