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Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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DeusExMachina wrote: post #179

I think this device really shows the different approaches of Apple and Microsoft to "tablets". When the iPad Pro was announced, many joked about the fact that it was just like a surface. With the release of this device from Microsoft, the look even more similar then before from the outside. Still, the huge difference in the approach is the software. Microsoft is bending a computer operating system, with a full hardwa…

History repeats itself. In the '80s, it was going from glass TTY to GUI, but both parties played the same strategy.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by WorldWideWayne »

melling wrote: post #196
WorldWideWayne wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess if you think that walled gardens and locked down platforms are "progress", then you really are thinking differently because you have to basically swallow that pill if you want to enjoy the occasional hardware progress that is seen with fruitier companies. Of course real progress, to me, means that there is a good standard and everybody uses it. Remember when cell phones all had their own type of charging adap…

I'm sorry, I guess by referring to Apple I confused the point. You went off on some pointless irrelevant rant. How about I mention Google instead? http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2478157,00.asp http://www.androidcentral.com/google-says-look-out-more-usb-... USB-C is an open standard that is not controlled by Apple.

Oh no, "melling" thinks my response was pointless and irrelevant - what to do?

Does anyone else find it hilarious that this is coming from a guy who cares about USB-C which is largely pointless and irrelevant in this thread? You got all the responses and downvotes that you deserve.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by wdmeldon »

ZanyProgrammer wrote: post #182
pvnick wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed windows for development is not always as streamlined as a unix-based system like OS X. I use a surface pro 3 with windows 8.1 and wrote a python script that opens a cygwin terminal at the top of my screen to provide Guake-like functionality for windows. Most development work I do however is done within a Ubuntu virtual machine, but then again I've usually been doing web development over the past couple years.

Someday someone should write a book published by one of the tech book publishers about how to set up non Visual Studio dev environments on Windows (RoR, Django, PHP/MySQL, etc). It seems like things have gotten to the point where developing on Windows == MSFT dev tools, and everything else is Mac/*nix.

It honestly feels a lot like all the kids in the neighborhood just got new mountain bikes and you're still using a scooter. You can usually keep up, but as soon as they go off the road, you're on your own.

VMs are 100% the way to go, but I am consistently frustrated by incompatibility, especially with the nodejs ecosystem. Windows users are a huge minority so tools are rarely built with a non *Nix environment in mind.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by josu »

voiceclonr wrote: post #207

Page looks bad and it loads so slow! At some point, the msdn pages were awesomely fast and I would've imagined they spent more time on load testing for such a crucial day. That aside, the product looks very interesting. I was a Windows user for a long time and switched to Mac in the last few years. This makes me want to give the newbie a try.

On top of that there is a typo:

"Intel HG Graphics"

http://i.imgur.com/kLt8Ydz.png

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by mtgx »

jhugg wrote: post #221
pgrote wrote: post #189

I am very interested in learning how they provide 12 hours of usage for the Surface Book. What do they disable to extend the life? They battery capacity?

My hunch is both halves have a battery. Also that 12 hours is listed as video playback, which is not how Apple measures.

Or they're just misleading about how they measure the battery life. We used to have "8h of battery life" 10 years ago, when in fact they lasted 3h. Apple has done this, too, more and more lately unfortunately. Their "12h" battery life is more like 8h for moderate usage.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by slantyyz »

lojack wrote: post #228
slantyyz wrote: post #185

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>> Could be a MBP replacement for developers. The only thing is those of us running on OS X, how is Windows 10? >> I love my command line and linux like commands and tools. - Homebrew - Bash scripts - Docker (Windows 10 currently not supported) - Vagrant I switched from OSX to Windows last year. I thought I'd miss stuff, but you don't. There are package managers like chocolatey to replace homebrew. I use Cmder as my…

Out of curiosity, do you use vagrant for everything? I used Windows a little while ago, and I couldn't do any work without firing up a VM. I missed my environment, but if I did everything in a virtual machine, I could accomplish what I needed. Eventually I gave up. I was actually doing my development in linux and windows was just acting as a VM host. It's almost comical that I ever said I did development in Windows.

No. I do a lot of stuff in CMDer. I only use vagrant for testing deployments.

Most of the apps I use are cross platform GUI apps like Sublime, Evernote, SourceTree, etc.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by sreyaNotfilc »

PaulHoule wrote: post #168

When is somebody going to come out with a convertable that doesn't have a trackpad? Does somebody have a patent that makes it illegal to make a PC without a trackpad or something?

I'd rather have a trackpad than not have a trackpad. Sometimes using touch doesn't work that well.

In my experience, having to reach and touch the screen to get my cursor on a textbox is annoying. I'd rather us a swipe of my thumb to position the cursor.

Different strokes for different folks. I'm glad the trackpad is still here.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by wlesieutre »

gdulli wrote: post #222
cdnsteve wrote: post #140

Could be a MBP replacement for developers. The only thing is those of us running on OS X, how is Windows 10? I love my command line and linux like commands and tools. - Homebrew - Bash scripts - Docker (Windows 10 currently not supported) - Vagrant I just feel the tooling for MS isn't in the direction I am. I still have a Windows 7 desktop and it's just not the same.

I use Windows as a desktop but have it host a VirtualBox Linux VM for my real work because I don't find either Windows or OSX acceptable for serious Linux development. OSX is actually more insidious because it sort of looks like Linux and makes you think it just about can be Linux, but it's just not. Under VirtualBox my development environment can match my production environment almost completely. There's no awkward…

I toyed around with a similar setup recently (but I'm not actually doing any Linux development) to try out Nuclide, Facebook's big addon for Atom.

Basically you run a server in your Linux VM that Atom/Nuclide (running in Windows) connects to, and it lets you edit files in the VM as if your project folder were local. For those who like a GUI, I think it's worth looking at to save yourself the hassle of VirtualBox guest tools, etc. that never seem to work reliably. And frankly, I've never been particularly happy with the performance of a virtualized Linux GUI, though most of that blame goes to Ubuntu and its apparently impossible to get rid of (in some locations) fading animations.

Anyway, neat tool, worth checking out. You set up a VM to match whatever you'll be deploying to and then work on files in the VM from an editor in Windows. When it works smoothly it's really cool.

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