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Y Combinator's Altman: What I Worry About in Business [video]

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Re: Y Combinator's Altman: What I Worry About in Business [video]

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> How is it not dumb? Because PLS Logistics Services does ~$100m a year more than dropbox (PLS rev is $515.6m) and has a growth rate of 42% and no one has ever heard of it. Dropbox was reportedly valued at $10 billion in November 2014, when it raised $350 million in its Series C[0]. You can plot the failure of the company on a graph inversely proportional to moores law, and yet they are "crushing it". So with less li…

I think you just agreed in a slightly angry way with plenty of citations. Internet company valuations are also driven up by a small group of very rich people who all collude to drive up valuations anyway and promote their own rich people agendas anyway. It's not entirely based in the real world and doesn't come under real world scrutiny until it's too late.

> I think you just agreed in a slightly angry way with plenty of citations.

I am not sure what you mean? The citations I included, I agreed with and included them to substantiate my claim, which was:

It is not dumb or irrational to get to $1b, I disagree with Sam there. This allows you phenomenal free marketing, exposure, access and capital. It is rational to continue to take money and increase your status as the market is placing a huge premium on reputation and hype. I do think a horrible equity structure would be a bad compromise to make, but given that these markets are private your value is basically your old valuation (which prices in extreme future growth) and your status/pr/exposure. So depending on your value you can fake your way onto the unicorn list.

PLS Logistics is a inc 5000 company, I do not know the valuation. I suspect it is much less than the article I cited stating the dropbox deal terms >$10b. To be clear, the article, which I agree with, states this is well overvalued, but the "price" is around that number by the market. Box stock has liquidity, less uncertainty (known financials), more enterprise customers (stickier) and is valued less. I think storage is a bad business to be in and it is likely in the twilight of 2016 price parity is reached between SSD and HDD drives, a terabyte SSD can be had for $300[0]. Consumers can use free solutions like google and apple, or a 256GB thumb drive and enterprise companies will migrate to locked down internal private networks.

Regardless, freemium and non-monetizing service companies are in bad shape. Investors and founders have an incentive to get their pseudo-value up, and I was addressing that point. Status, in a market with limited transparency or liquidity, is passing as capital and given the rate hike that is coming and the likely failure of a few of these companies creationg a series A crunch, it wouldn't be unwise to cash that status in for currency.

If you were referring to my other comments about the Samwer bros. I apologize for the long winded spiel above. Those were really bad punny jokes and allusions to Bloomberg not editing the story and referring to it as 'Y Contributor' which sounded like a knock of version of YC.

edit: If you meant that the: > It's an arbitrary number of digits in base 10 numerals.

I disagree in that, much like in a Casino, the value is def. not realized until you walk out. That amount of arbitrary digits when that bell on the IPO day, will make them anything but arbitrary. Having that number start high and go up is good, and even if they are loosely based on something, people will used past values as a benchmark, at least initially. By then some wil have cashed out. Depends on what others are optimizing for.

Digits aren't wholly arbitrary, but they will become important.

[0]http://www.networkcomputing.com/storage/ssd-prices-in-a-free...

Re: Y Combinator's Altman: What I Worry About in Business [video]

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I am not actually sure why people have so much against the Samwer brothers. Have they done anything particularly despicable? I know their model is to copy any potential idea coming out of the US which I don't understand the issue with. One thing they really did well was to have a structure that makes it easy for them to localize any company. I hear the work environment is hard but so is it many other places. Or maybe…

copy any potential idea coming out of the US which I don't understand the issue with. Except, they don't just copy the idea, they copy the entire products and companies wholesale (interface, API, UI, user interaction model). How is that not bad?

How is it bad? Business doesn't have to be original.

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I agree with the comment about diversity; "Everyone talks about diversity in tech. I think the best thing you can do is not talk about it but just act on it".

With over 40% of women leaving tech, we (http://keepwomen.com/) have been doing research into this topic and talked to lots of women in tech. One of the things we found out was the importance of finding a company culture that’s right for you. Those women who persisted and changed jobs eventually found a company that was a good match for them. So we think one of the ways to "act on it", is to help women find a company culture that's right for them.

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nope. pet peeve - symbolism isn't irrational. "a billion dollars" is a powerful symbol, and may well pay off as much in psychological benefits as it loses in structural weirdness. or it may not, but it's definitely not clear-cut enough to dismiss as "dumb".

Yes but anytime you are engineering “financials” instead of engineering sales and customer satisfaction you are headed down a path that warps things. In the case of unicorn valuations it’s your term sheet: investors who are getting in at high symbolic valuations are asking for special provisions to protect downside that you wouldn’t otherwise grant them.

That valuation (perversely) likely affects hiring as well.

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I am not actually sure why people have so much against the Samwer brothers. Have they done anything particularly despicable? I know their model is to copy any potential idea coming out of the US which I don't understand the issue with. One thing they really did well was to have a structure that makes it easy for them to localize any company. I hear the work environment is hard but so is it many other places. Or maybe…

copy any potential idea coming out of the US which I don't understand the issue with. Except, they don't just copy the idea, they copy the entire products and companies wholesale (interface, API, UI, user interaction model). How is that not bad?

There are plenty of legal protections for corporate IP: patents, copyrights, trade secrets... If an aspect of a business can't be protected, competitors are free to copy it.

Consider a small coffee shop. Are they allowed to write the customer's name on the cup? That's clearly not an original idea, they copied it from a bigger competitor. Should it be forbidden?

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I am not actually sure why people have so much against the Samwer brothers. Have they done anything particularly despicable? I know their model is to copy any potential idea coming out of the US which I don't understand the issue with. One thing they really did well was to have a structure that makes it easy for them to localize any company. I hear the work environment is hard but so is it many other places. Or maybe…

copy any potential idea coming out of the US which I don't understand the issue with. Except, they don't just copy the idea, they copy the entire products and companies wholesale (interface, API, UI, user interaction model). How is that not bad?

I love how everybody in Silicon Valley claims ideas don't matter, only execution does, then hate on the company that is taking that maxim to its ultimate conclusion.

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I am not actually sure why people have so much against the Samwer brothers. Have they done anything particularly despicable? I know their model is to copy any potential idea coming out of the US which I don't understand the issue with. One thing they really did well was to have a structure that makes it easy for them to localize any company. I hear the work environment is hard but so is it many other places. Or maybe…

copy any potential idea coming out of the US which I don't understand the issue with. Except, they don't just copy the idea, they copy the entire products and companies wholesale (interface, API, UI, user interaction model). How is that not bad?

As a European they're adding a lot of value for me, by making useful products available for me.

Don't like your products being copied? Stop making them US-only. I would use the "real thing" if I could.

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I am not actually sure why people have so much against the Samwer brothers. Have they done anything particularly despicable? I know their model is to copy any potential idea coming out of the US which I don't understand the issue with. One thing they really did well was to have a structure that makes it easy for them to localize any company. I hear the work environment is hard but so is it many other places. Or maybe…

Personally, I despise them because they're parasites. I'm also not a big fan of, say, tapeworms. Sure, I don't doubt that tapeworms are also miracles of evolution. And sure, I guess even tapeworms have to eat. But at the end of the day, they're still parasites, and I still think they're repulsive. Ugh.

All businesses take things from those that have come before. These guys make money because they're providing a valuable service.

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copy any potential idea coming out of the US which I don't understand the issue with. Except, they don't just copy the idea, they copy the entire products and companies wholesale (interface, API, UI, user interaction model). How is that not bad?

As a European they're adding a lot of value for me, by making useful products available for me. Don't like your products being copied? Stop making them US-only . I would use the "real thing" if I could.

With the recent "death" of safe harbor in Europe, I can only assume it will become more pervasive, as it gets harder for silicon valley startups to do business internationally (at least until they are large enough to afford multi-presence).
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