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Global coalition to Facebook: “Authentic names” are dangerous for your users

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Re: Global coalition to Facebook: “Authentic names” are dangerous for your users

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Post by ryandrake »

natch wrote: post #174
ryandrake wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the price I pay for not participating in Facebook?

It's really not just about you, and what you care about. Other people may care about stuff you may or may not care about, and what they care about is valid to them. To others, some things that may matter to them may include: - Trackng down old friends - Keeping in touch with friends - Keeping in touch with acquaintances - Staying aware of what friends and acquaintances are up to - Keeping friends and acquaintances aw…

So before about 10 years ago when Facebook was launched, these things were only "conceivably possible", maybe with significant effort expenditure? Really???

Re: Global coalition to Facebook: “Authentic names” are dangerous for your users

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Post by ryandrake »

taswal_tmanir wrote: post #125
ryandrake wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the price I pay for not participating in Facebook?

You might lose all online communication options with at least some of your friends. This is unacceptable to many/most people, hence why they join Facebook and end up perpetuating the effect.

So, if Facebook shut down tomorrow, we'd lose all online communication options?

Re: Global coalition to Facebook: “Authentic names” are dangerous for your users

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Post by natch »

ryandrake wrote: post #191
natch wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's really not just about you, and what you care about. Other people may care about stuff you may or may not care about, and what they care about is valid to them. To others, some things that may matter to them may include: - Trackng down old friends - Keeping in touch with friends - Keeping in touch with acquaintances - Staying aware of what friends and acquaintances are up to - Keeping friends and acquaintances aw…

So before about 10 years ago when Facebook was launched, these things were only "conceivably possible", maybe with significant effort expenditure? Really???

Yep. It really was a different world before Facebook. Just one real and important example: I had lost track of many of my old friends and acquaintances, and am now in touch with them.

Re: Global coalition to Facebook: “Authentic names” are dangerous for your users

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Post by natch »

ryandrake wrote: post #192
taswal_tmanir wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might lose all online communication options with at least some of your friends. This is unacceptable to many/most people, hence why they join Facebook and end up perpetuating the effect.

So, if Facebook shut down tomorrow, we'd lose all online communication options?

Now you're just being argumentative. This kind of thing belongs on reddit, not here.

Re: Global coalition to Facebook: “Authentic names” are dangerous for your users

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Post by Estragon »

Nadya wrote: post #104
Swizec wrote: post #88

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Sometimes yes, sometimes no. But I don't remember giving FB permission to view my phone numbers.

If you have the FB app installed it has access to your contacts.

What does the FB app give you that the website doesn't anyway? I had no idea why I would want it on my phone when FB was pushing it on me.

Re: Global coalition to Facebook: “Authentic names” are dangerous for your users

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Post by scintill76 »

baby wrote: post #119
junto wrote: post #9

I use Facebook as a developer using a completely fake but real looking identity. I have to have a developer account because of my job. Otherwise I wouldn't touch the site with someone else's bargepole. Thank you http://www.fakenamegenerator.com If that account gets blocked then I'll just have to create another fake one.

Why not create a second account for work under your real name?

I don't think they have a real first account. They only created an account at all because they needed it for work, and they didn't give it any real information because they didn't want Facebook to have it.

Re: Global coalition to Facebook: “Authentic names” are dangerous for your users

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Post by manigandham »

PhasmaFelis wrote: post #166
smt88 wrote: post #160

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They have responded to the criticism of their historical behavior and now only make changes with quite a bit of fanfare. They haven't done anything overtly evil related to privacy in a while.

"Facebook hasn't abused their users much in a while, so I trust them to never do so again ever" is pretty fucking slim for someone whose career or life could be endangered.

Perhaps dont share information if your career/life depends on it?

Re: Global coalition to Facebook: “Authentic names” are dangerous for your users

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Post by LoSboccacc »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #83
Swizec wrote: post #74

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> Tellingly, my female FB friends are much more likely to obfuscate their names (and get blocked for it). This is the part of Facebook that's really creepy. As a guy who used to date around a lot, I was surprised by how well the "find user" function works. You connect with someone on Tinder, and meet up in real life. You have no friends in common, no digital connection other than a week-old Tinder conversation consis…

> I don't know how they do it. But they do it. I'm assuming geo-tracking of phones and noticing that you spent X hours together the previous night. My boss and I were wondering the same thing after spending few days at client's site in another country, after which Facebook suggested the client as a friend to my boss, even though they never interacted electronically by means other than company e-mail. We thought about…

You know when websites ask for consent to share data with third parties? This is mostly how they do it. What you view on linkedin goes to fb and vice versa.

I had used a chat service only once to call some guys and the day after all participants were suggestions on linkedin.

To most of those free service a product is you and they monetize your graph in this way.

Then you have subsidiaries. You may gave not given facebook or messanger access to you contacts, but what anout whatsapp? Any app with access to your contacts may have sold them. And even if you have none the other party might, or even a third party.

Re: Global coalition to Facebook: “Authentic names” are dangerous for your users

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Post by ryandrake »

natch wrote: post #194
ryandrake wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, if Facebook shut down tomorrow, we'd lose all online communication options?

Now you're just being argumentative. This kind of thing belongs on reddit, not here.

Just responding to a ridiculous level of exaggeration. You guys appear to be seriously arguing that there was no easy way to keep in touch with friends and family before 2004.

Re: Global coalition to Facebook: “Authentic names” are dangerous for your users

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Post by grayclhn »

manigandham wrote: post #197
PhasmaFelis wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Facebook hasn't abused their users much in a while, so I trust them to never do so again ever" is pretty fucking slim for someone whose career or life could be endangered.

Perhaps dont share information if your career/life depends on it?

That's a very different argument than "I dont get it - Facebook has some of the most robust privacy settings of any platform"
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