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Global coalition to Facebook: “Authentic names” are dangerous for your users

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Re: Global coalition to Facebook: “Authentic names” are dangerous for your users

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post #75

I wish the EFF and others who are against using real names would at least acknowledge the drawbacks of pseudonyms and the proliferation of fake accounts and fake names which comes with them. The real name policy has huge benefits. I'm not constantly bombarded by fake friend requests like I am on Twitter, Skype, or any other platform which allows random usernames. Even more importantly, I can easily find the people in…

What about people who don't want all of their real life relationships to be able to follow them online? For example, suppose someone has a restraining order against a stalker, so they don't want to be findable online. Does that mean they're "not using Facebook the way it's meant to be used and should probably just leave it"? Online interaction has very different affordances than off-line interaction (for example, the…

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Re: Global coalition to Facebook: “Authentic names” are dangerous for your users

#182
post #74

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> People who are trying to disconnect their Facebook identity from their real world identity are not using Facebook the way it's meant to be used and should probably just leave it. Some people use their pseudonym (usually a nick name) in real life as well, except for work, and I think separating work from Facebook is exactly how Facebook should be used. (There's always LinkedIn for work...) Another thing I see a lot…

> Tellingly, my female FB friends are much more likely to obfuscate their names (and get blocked for it). This is the part of Facebook that's really creepy. As a guy who used to date around a lot, I was surprised by how well the "find user" function works. You connect with someone on Tinder, and meet up in real life. You have no friends in common, no digital connection other than a week-old Tinder conversation consis…

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Re: Global coalition to Facebook: “Authentic names” are dangerous for your users

#183
post #74

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> Tellingly, my female FB friends are much more likely to obfuscate their names (and get blocked for it). This is the part of Facebook that's really creepy. As a guy who used to date around a lot, I was surprised by how well the "find user" function works. You connect with someone on Tinder, and meet up in real life. You have no friends in common, no digital connection other than a week-old Tinder conversation consis…

> I don't know how they do it. But they do it. I'm assuming geo-tracking of phones and noticing that you spent X hours together the previous night. My boss and I were wondering the same thing after spending few days at client's site in another country, after which Facebook suggested the client as a friend to my boss, even though they never interacted electronically by means other than company e-mail. We thought about…

Another possibility is that your social graph might have more overlap than you realize, even if it's not very much, it could be enough to make them the 'nearest' to you in some way. At least some of the graph data can come from sources invisible to you (i.e. people looking at other people's Facebook connections).

Re: Global coalition to Facebook: “Authentic names” are dangerous for your users

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post #111
post #74

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> Tellingly, my female FB friends are much more likely to obfuscate their names (and get blocked for it). This is the part of Facebook that's really creepy. As a guy who used to date around a lot, I was surprised by how well the "find user" function works. You connect with someone on Tinder, and meet up in real life. You have no friends in common, no digital connection other than a week-old Tinder conversation consis…

Could it be that she has searched for and found your FB profile before you searched for her?

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Re: Global coalition to Facebook: “Authentic names” are dangerous for your users

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post #127
post #89

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> I don't know how they do it. But they do it. A big avenue for this is phone numbers. If you have exchanged phone numbers or texted and either person has the facebook app installed on their phone they may show up on "people you may know"

This is almost certainly it. It comes from adding each other to your smartphones address book so a name shows instead of a number.

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Re: Global coalition to Facebook: “Authentic names” are dangerous for your users

#186

I wish the EFF and others who are against using real names would at least acknowledge the drawbacks of pseudonyms and the proliferation of fake accounts and fake names which comes with them. The real name policy has huge benefits. I'm not constantly bombarded by fake friend requests like I am on Twitter, Skype, or any other platform which allows random usernames. Even more importantly, I can easily find the people in…

> People who are trying to disconnect their Facebook identity from their real world identity are not using Facebook the way it's meant to be used and should probably just leave it. Some people use their pseudonym (usually a nick name) in real life as well, except for work, and I think separating work from Facebook is exactly how Facebook should be used. (There's always LinkedIn for work...) Another thing I see a lot…

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Re: Global coalition to Facebook: “Authentic names” are dangerous for your users

#187
While I sympathize with the underlying sentiments of this, I have to disagree with what it actually says. If the EFF were really trying to help users, it wouldn't be trying to get Facebook to change; it would be trying to get users to stop using Facebook. The problem is not that FB needs to improve its name policy; the problem is that we have a single centralized social network for everybody. What we should have is a way for people to build their own independent social networks, so that someone who wants to be able to connect online with friends while avoiding their creepy ex can do so. Why isn't the EFF pushing for that?

Re: Global coalition to Facebook: “Authentic names” are dangerous for your users

#188
Pseudonymity is a double-edged sword; it enables people to hide from abusers online, but it also enabled a lot of online abuse (Twitter is rampant with the stuff, not that Facebook is immune). I don't know which side is right, and I wish that there was some way to combine the best of both but so far nobody's struck that balance or even really come close. But if that balance is struck, I don't think the sort of stridency the EFF is engaging in here is going to be part of the solution.

Re: Global coalition to Facebook: “Authentic names” are dangerous for your users

#189
post #177

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And I can present a different identity, including different name, to these different groups? My family knows me by a name that's not even in the same character set as the name that my co-workers know me by. Just like my neighbor who's a teacher can have all her students see her as "Mrs. Jones" while her college friends see her as "Emily"? I'm not talking about keeping my separate groups of acquaintances separate in m…

You can't present a different name, but I think that's a pretty narrow use-case. For teachers, sure, but I don't see a reason for teachers to be Facebook friends with students. You can certainly be searchable by names in different character sets. I have a Korean friend whose name on Facebook is in Korean, but you can find him by searching for "Henry" as well. If this compartmentalization is so important, why not just…

> But I think that's a pretty narrow use-case

Then you're not paying attention. It's a very common use case.

Did you ignore my pointing out that my family and my co-workers call me by different names? This is _very_ common.

> For teachers, sure, but I don't see a reason for teachers to be Facebook friends with students

I don't see a good reason for anyone to ever have a Facebook account at all. But many people clearly do, and Facebook is doing all it can to ensure that all real-life relationships are reflected in Facebook... but not actually making it possible to do that sanely. That's causing problems, and will continue to cause problems until either people realize that Facebook shouldn't be used for all their relationships or Facebook fixes their setup to work better or society in general radically changes how it's structured (and not for the better, in my opinion).

We can argue about which of these solutions is preferable, and which is more likely (I suspect the answers are different), but let's not pretend like the problem doesn't exist.

As for teachers being Facebook friends with their students, consider the situation in India, where Facebook is pushing for "internet access" that only includes Facebook. At which point, if you want to communicate with your students electronically at all, you have to do it through Facebook, since that's all they can do on the internet.

The situation in the US is not that bad, but again some teachers are using Facebook for their classroom communication (by choice). I agree this is a bad idea, obviously, for oh so many reasons.

> You can certainly be searchable by names in different character sets

It's not just searchability. It's also whether people seeing a message from you recognize who the message is from, say.

> why not just make separate Facebook profiles

You mean apart from this being explicitly against Facebooks's terms of service and the fact that they will shut down some or all of these profiles because they decide that the name on them isn't a real name?

Again, as I see it my options today are:

1) Lie about accepting the terms of service, deal with the fact that Facebook can arbitrarily shut down parts of my social interactions because it decides it doesn't like what some people call me.

2) Set up Facebook relationships in a radically different way from my real-world ones.

3) Just don't use Facebook for interacting with anyone I actually care about.

My personal choice is #3. Most people seem to choose some combination of #1 and #2, with a strong lean to #2. The EFF is claiming that this choice only has to be made because of some particular Facebook policies and users would be better off if those policies were changed so that the choice didn't need to be made (e.g. so that having separate Facebook profiles were actually an OK thing and not grounds for having all your Facebook profiles terminated).

Re: Global coalition to Facebook: “Authentic names” are dangerous for your users

#190
Facebook beat all other social networks because it is the best at connecting people who already know each other. And its most effective tool to connect these people is its search functionality whose effectiveness requires that all its users use their real name. It is unrealistic to expect Facebook to risk its very existence just because the EFF demands that it do so.
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