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This reminds me of the meme of first world problems versus third world problems. Essentially, you are saying that because it saves you some annoyance, it's a good tradeoff, even if that means that a few others face not annoyance, but actual existential threats of death, violence, imprisonment, dismemberment, etc. http://violetblue.tumblr.com/post/130440543695/why-im-sittin... Edit: and yes, participation in Facebook…
And, in some countries, even making copies or photographing or scanning an ID is a crime. I’ll not commit a crime just to get access to Facebook.
Global coalition to Facebook: “Authentic names” are dangerous for your users
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#132Facebook's real name policies have to do with how people perceive the plausibility of the numbers reported for their a-la-cart paid advertisement customers.
This policy doesn't actually decrease fake shell accounts. It's an intentionally ineffective ceremonious anti-fraud campaign.
Facebook knows that third parties conducting click and follow fraud for paying advertising customers brings them a lot of money.
They came up with a policy that gives the perception of combating it ... actually closing real human accounts. However, all the fake bot accounts are and have always been named like "Jane Doe" and "Bob Smith" ... they remain untouched.
What's the effect? The paying customer thinks that Facebook is making an effort to combat fraud but in truth they have every interest in keeping the fraud around and creating a false perception that things are changing - like the oil and tobacco companies; like nike and nestle; like fast food - like every other billion dollar company ever.
You don't amass $30 billion by being an honest Joe.
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#133Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I don't know how they do it. But they do it. I'm assuming geo-tracking of phones and noticing that you spent X hours together the previous night. My boss and I were wondering the same thing after spending few days at client's site in another country, after which Facebook suggested the client as a friend to my boss, even though they never interacted electronically by means other than company e-mail. We thought about…
Somehow the Wi-Fi network theory sounds even creepier than geo-tracking. Also in my example, I didn't usually connect to any Wi-Fi because I have LTE. But of course I don't turn off wi-fi when I leave the house so my phone still does network discovery.
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#134Earlier quoted context omitted.
Real-name internet identities have some drawbacks compared to their real-world counterparts: 1. In real life its fairly easy (and I would say healthy) to have multiple "identities", say your workday exquisitely professional identity and weekend identity which enjoys goofy antics with friends. In infinitely googlable internet - not so much. I guess mitigating this is the idea behind google+ circles but I have never us…
> In real life its fairly easy (and I would say healthy) to have multiple "identities", say your workday exquisitely professional identity and weekend identity which enjoys goofy antics with friends. I think Facebook primarily targets the second one. Though personally, I find the whole concept of this type of multiple identities weird. Why should I present a different identity at work than I do in personal affairs? A…
Multiple identities are incredibly important to anybody in a minority that is threatened by their local mainstream culture. Black people in may areas (even today), gay or lesbian people in many parts of the world, and trans people just about anywhere[1] are some obvious examples. There are numerous others, which bring varying amounts of risk if exposed publicly.
These people are often forced to put on a facade when in public, to avoid the risk of being fired (only a few of these are protected classes), beaten, or even killed. The internet has created a space where these people can be themselves... as long as it doesn't connect back to their real name and identity.
Yes, leaving a job is a good way to avoid a bigoted manager, but that isn't an option for everybody. Your boss isn't the only threat, either: it wasn't that long ago that being openly gay could get you lynched in some areas.
This comes down to the basic concept of privacy. I recommend Dan Geer's definition[2] of privacy in light of modern technology:
Privacy used to be proportional to that which it is impossible to observe
or that which can be observed but not identified. No more -- what is today
observable and identifiable kills both privacy as impossible-to-observe and
privacy as impossible-to-identify, so what might be an alternative? If you
are an optimist or an apparatchik, then your answer will tend toward rules
of data procedure administered by a government you trust or control. If you
are a pessimist or a hacker/maker, then your answer will tend towards the
operational, and your definition of a state of privacy will be my definition:
the effective capacity to misrepresent yourself.
Real name policies are, de facto isomorphic with banning privacy. It is saying that people must never experiment with how they present themselves to the world. It's saying that anybody who fears repercussions if they act like themselves must stay in the closet.It is nice to believe that we are past these problems. I'm often thankful that I have the privilege to live in California, which has been very accepting of diversity. Unfortunately, we haven't solved all of these problems, and they are not going to be solved in the near future. Sometimes an optimist or apparatchick insists that forcing everybody into the public so nothing is hidden and privacy no longer exists will somehow eradicate bigotry and discrimination. Well, bigots are often proud of their beliefs, and most people don't consider the consequences anyway; these problems are not solved by magical thinking.
[1] http://www.newrepublic.com/article/politics/magazine/90519/t...
Re: Global coalition to Facebook: “Authentic names” are dangerous for your users
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#136I wish the EFF and others who are against using real names would at least acknowledge the drawbacks of pseudonyms and the proliferation of fake accounts and fake names which comes with them. The real name policy has huge benefits. I'm not constantly bombarded by fake friend requests like I am on Twitter, Skype, or any other platform which allows random usernames. Even more importantly, I can easily find the people in…
On the opposing side were battered women's advocacy groups arguing that Caller ID would make it impossible for a woman to hide her location from her tormentor.
See http://www.nytimes.com/1993/03/15/nyregion/popularity-of-cal... for a general discussion about this.
the most vehement opposition has come from advocates for battered women and other victims whose safety might depend on being able to call help lines or domestic-violence shelters anonymously. One Caller I.D. option lists numbers for calls that have been made as well as for calls received; thus an abusive husband, for example, could tell if his wife had called for help. And if such a victim has left home, Caller I.D. might help the abuser track her down if she or her children called. 'A Step Backward'
And among the groups that wanted it were, you guessed it, battered women's advocacy groups who argued that Caller ID would put an end to harassing phone calls!
Both sides gave tearful testimony to the California PUC.
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#137I hate Facebook, but I think they are right about this policy. If you're a person at risk due to many of the issues described here, you don't belong on Facebook. If you're a domestic violence victim avoiding a dangerous person "liking" the wrong thing or somebody's innocent repost can put you in danger, pseudonym or not. The transgender situation is similarly tragic, but it's an issue that trans people run into when…
Re: Global coalition to Facebook: “Authentic names” are dangerous for your users
#138Earlier quoted context omitted.
> People who are trying to disconnect their Facebook identity from their real world identity are not using Facebook the way it's meant to be used and should probably just leave it. Some people use their pseudonym (usually a nick name) in real life as well, except for work, and I think separating work from Facebook is exactly how Facebook should be used. (There's always LinkedIn for work...) Another thing I see a lot…
I hear this a lot but I dont get it - Facebook has some of the most robust privacy settings of any platform. You can control exactly how much information you want the public and different groups to see. Also, most people who complain about public data are the ones who willingly share most of it in the first place without a care.
Re: Global coalition to Facebook: “Authentic names” are dangerous for your users
#139I wish the EFF and others who are against using real names would at least acknowledge the drawbacks of pseudonyms and the proliferation of fake accounts and fake names which comes with them. The real name policy has huge benefits. I'm not constantly bombarded by fake friend requests like I am on Twitter, Skype, or any other platform which allows random usernames. Even more importantly, I can easily find the people in…
Agreed. I run a small-town community website. Instituting a real-name policy stopped the trolling overnight: people behave much more reasonably if they know they might meet the person they're yelling at in the street tomorrow. The key is that our site aims to be solely a resource for the existing community (where people relate to each other through real names), not a virtual community in itself. I certainly wouldn't…
For a lot of people, Facebook is "The Web". That's all or almost all they use. The less tech-literate ones don't even know "the web", they connect to Facebook. They get their news from Facebook. They communicate on Facebook. Everything they do online, they do on Facebook.
Like someone mentioned above, when you get big enough you start to have responsibilities. When your actions affect and your voice is heard by billions of people, you're no longer "some random privately-owned website"... you're a supergiant with the ability to affect the entire world.
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#140Earlier quoted context omitted.
And, in some countries, even making copies or photographing or scanning an ID is a crime. I’ll not commit a crime just to get access to Facebook.
I love learning random facts like this. Can I get a citation/link to where coping your own ID is a crime?
(Completely ignoring the fact that real name policies are legally dubious as well)