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The Most Important Thing: Decline in poverty, illiteracy and disease

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Re: The Most Important Thing: Decline in poverty, illiteracy and disease

#41

This journalistic impulse to sell the world as worse than it is will not end because a single journalist caught a quick (and likely fleeting) guilty conscience. It will continue until the profession recognizes that their addiction to narrative harms the entire population.

I expect that "the entire population" will recognize this before the journalists do.

Re: The Most Important Thing: Decline in poverty, illiteracy and disease

#42

Another big secret, is that the source of a lot of poverty being lifted is because of China. That's right, that terribly communist government suppressing its people and free speech, is actually responsible for lifting 500 million people out of poverty over the last 30 years. That is definitely a big secret of american media, and something that it neglects to report on, in favor of free speech violations, naval exerci…

> That's right, that terribly communist government suppressing its people and free speech, is actually responsible for lifting 500 million people out of poverty over the last 30 years.

Indeed, China's success has been a great testimony to the efficacy of centralized planning and communism...

Re: The Most Important Thing: Decline in poverty, illiteracy and disease

#43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Government can't do anything" meme tends to be pushed by organizations that actively want less government. The sort of groups that listen to people like Grover Norquest who said: "I don't want to abolish government. I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub." While there is a lot to be said about the idea of efficiency in government it isn't the same as…

American progressives can be just as guilty, if less organized. They tend to view big business with suspicion and incorrectly think that the American government is hopelessly corrupt and in the pocket of "Big Business and/or Wall Street".

In what sense is that view incorrect? The cost of access to the political process in America is astronomically high and keeps increasing, and acquiring the amount of money it now takes to be competitive in an election requires adopting a set of positions that are friendly to whatever industries have the most money to give.

What part of that analysis is wrong? What counterexample can you offer?

Re: The Most Important Thing: Decline in poverty, illiteracy and disease

#44

Since this is HN, here's a question: what role could technology play in eliminating extreme poverty by 2030?

Heard an interview with the head of the investing arm of the Gates foundation. (Nerdist podcast interview with Bill Gates)

She suggested that in a few years mobile phone technology has transformed Africa more than many more years of charity and monetary intervention. She suggested that services (like payment services) built on top of mobile technologies were the place to look.

The good news is, if you have a great idea along those lines, they might just invest...

Re: The Most Important Thing: Decline in poverty, illiteracy and disease

#45
Ending illegal wars, the death penalty and torture are even more important. Why would our government which has no problem killing, maiming and even "torturing some folks" even begin to care about poverty, illiteracy and disease? You may disagree but as a whole our government has a strong proclivity to violence which implies a lack of regard for life. Dealing effectively with poverty, illiteracy and disease presupposes our government is sufficiently motivated to direct its attention to those issues. Pick any metric you like and it clearly shows our government has other priorities. Poverty is up, illiteracy is up, education is overall declining, university tuition skyrocketing, cost of healthcare skyrocketing, planned parenthood under attack etc. Our government just bombed a hospital in Afghanistan, executed a woman in Georgia who should have served a life sentence instead, is about to execute a man whose guilt is unclear and still tortures people in dark forgotten corners of the globe. I don't think there can be any meaningful change until bad people with no respect for life are removed from office and replaced with good people who do respect life. It's no coincidence that since the warmongers seized control of this country that education and healthcare took a dive. Dr. Strangelove doesn't care one whit about poverty, illiteracy and disease .

Re: The Most Important Thing: Decline in poverty, illiteracy and disease

#46

Since this is HN, here's a question: what role could technology play in eliminating extreme poverty by 2030?

We could use automation to reduce the total amount of work we have to do as a society for each individual to be safe and healthy, and then (and this is the hard part) share the benefit of that automation with the whole society, instead of concentrating it in the hands of a few people and kicking every person whose labor is now not essential to the curb.

Incidentally, the answer to this question has been the same since the advent of technology, going as far back as agriculture.

Re: The Most Important Thing: Decline in poverty, illiteracy and disease

#47

Another big secret, is that the source of a lot of poverty being lifted is because of China. That's right, that terribly communist government suppressing its people and free speech, is actually responsible for lifting 500 million people out of poverty over the last 30 years. That is definitely a big secret of american media, and something that it neglects to report on, in favor of free speech violations, naval exerci…

And most of them are sadly going to go right back into extreme poverty since factories are leaving China, capital is are outflowing, rich people are escaping. Then they realize the farm they left has been commandeered to build empty apartments, their environment polluted to where they will fall victim to diseases.

There is no secret to the communist China's playbook. They opened to the world a vast amount of workers, charging for them pennies a day. But once that has been used up and become too expensive, the end game is joblessness and destruction of their environments. And they still have a totalitarian government.

Re: The Most Important Thing: Decline in poverty, illiteracy and disease

#49

Since this is HN, here's a question: what role could technology play in eliminating extreme poverty by 2030?

Technology is the main driver of growth in GDP per capita. Technology is what makes wealthy countries wealthy in the first place, and gives them enough surplus that they can afford to help poorer countries (whose problems may not be lack of access to technology per se, but other issues specific to their societies, such as unstable government, lack of education, etc.)

By making the developed world richer, technology helps everyone.

Re: The Most Important Thing: Decline in poverty, illiteracy and disease

#50

Meanwhile, http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jun/19/humans-cr...

Kristof also conveniently doesn't mention that poverty in the United States is actually increasing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_the_United_States

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