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Global coalition to Facebook: “Authentic names” are dangerous for your users

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Re: Global coalition to Facebook: “Authentic names” are dangerous for your users

#11

I don't understand why people make anything of "real names" policies. They just want the users to have real looking names. They don't actually have any way to force real names. So it's a non-issue. There's no oppressed person in a police state signing up for Facebook that reads a EULA and concludes "well, Facebook said I have to reveal my true identity, I guess that's the way it is."

Because many people have had accounts disabled or names changed back for trying to change their name.

Re: Global coalition to Facebook: “Authentic names” are dangerous for your users

#12
post #5

Real names keep Facebook spam down. You can report real name violations to make spam accounts go away. That's worth doing. Giving that up to make a tiny number of drag queens happy isn't worth it.

Every teacher I know either doesn't use Facebook at all, or if they do, they don't use their real name. Why? Because they know that their students are going to look for them on Facebook out of curiosity and gossip amongst themselves about any detail that's on there (or if it's locked down, try to sneak onto their friends list and then gossip). They often have to be very careful or else they could easily get in trouble.

One of those people will actually leave a movie theater if they spot one of her students in the same movie, because she knows from experience they'll take pictures of her on their cell phones and try to catch her saying or doing something even slightly off.

Teaching can't be the only profession where people want to be careful about using their real names so they can easily be found by anyone who wants to look. And it certainly isn't just a tiny number of drag queens either.

Re: Global coalition to Facebook: “Authentic names” are dangerous for your users

#13
post #2

Isn't it kinda obvious the long game of facebook is to become the single globally mandated identity service? Governments will contract with them to maintain your official citizen ID records. Game over.

You should read "The Circle". It is basically that and more.

Re: Global coalition to Facebook: “Authentic names” are dangerous for your users

#14

I don't understand why people make anything of "real names" policies. They just want the users to have real looking names. They don't actually have any way to force real names. So it's a non-issue. There's no oppressed person in a police state signing up for Facebook that reads a EULA and concludes "well, Facebook said I have to reveal my true identity, I guess that's the way it is."

They can and do enforce the real name policy. If they suspect your name isn't real (via algorithm or user reports) they will freeze your account until you send them scans of government ID confirming your name. I have a friend with an unusual name, and she's had to go through the process twice thanks to harassers flagging her.

Re: Global coalition to Facebook: “Authentic names” are dangerous for your users

#16

I don't understand why people make anything of "real names" policies. They just want the users to have real looking names. They don't actually have any way to force real names. So it's a non-issue. There's no oppressed person in a police state signing up for Facebook that reads a EULA and concludes "well, Facebook said I have to reveal my true identity, I guess that's the way it is."

Exactly! I have a similar policy at the community I operate. Members have to sign up with a real-sounding pen name. I'm very flexible on that too. All that means is you can't sign up with a pen name like "CRaZzE BlOgGeR". I don't care if your pen name is your real name or not--it just can't sound like a dumb made-up internet username. And yet people still email me daily, enraged that they can't sign up for a professional online community with the pen name of "BitterDoll SweetBear".

This kind of policy goes a long way towards the perception of professionalism at any web site. You're probably not going to take a person named "Spazmo Jones" as seriously as you would "Amy Wong". It's a sort of broken window theory.

(And yes, all of the examples above are pen names people actually tried to sign up with!)

Re: Global coalition to Facebook: “Authentic names” are dangerous for your users

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post #13
post #2

Isn't it kinda obvious the long game of facebook is to become the single globally mandated identity service? Governments will contract with them to maintain your official citizen ID records. Game over.

You should read "The Circle". It is basically that and more.

The book was awful in all the right ways.

It was a perfect example of SV employees "going native" and surrendering their entire sense of self worth over to the desires of their employer. It tracked the ways startups indoctrinate naive employees into to their cults of personality pretty accurately. Company as Godhead. If the protagonist drank any more koolaid she would have become the koolaid man herself. After all, without that external sense of approval, you are worthless. One for all, and all for the billionaires.

It's a case study in trojan horsing your way to the top though. Company offers shiny service X, but with nefarious capabilities (surveillance, tracking, blackmail) nobody considers, because, hey, shiny selfies!!!

Sign up now for my 2016 course: Defense Against the Dark Software

Re: Global coalition to Facebook: “Authentic names” are dangerous for your users

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post #7
post #3

And in fact illegal in Germany and probably a hell lot of other places. I wonder if that gets enforced anytime soon.

I'm sincerely curious ... how is a social network like Facebook, which is built around connecting you with your real-world friends and acquaintances, supposed to work if you can't require users to identify themselves in a meaningful way? The little "people you may know" widget is really useful, because it shows me names I recognize from my offline life. If it's just a random stream of pseudonyms and online handles, t…

> I'm sincerely curious ... how is a social network like Facebook, which is built around connecting you with your real-world friends and acquaintances, supposed to work if you can't require users to identify themselves in a meaningful way?

"Hey, Steve, what's your Facebook name?" "Goku35179." "Cool, I'm friending you."

If your long-lost friends and former co-workers and classmates do not choose to be findable, that should be their decision to make. But that was always only a secondary use case for Facebook.

Re: Global coalition to Facebook: “Authentic names” are dangerous for your users

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post #7
post #3

And in fact illegal in Germany and probably a hell lot of other places. I wonder if that gets enforced anytime soon.

I'm sincerely curious ... how is a social network like Facebook, which is built around connecting you with your real-world friends and acquaintances, supposed to work if you can't require users to identify themselves in a meaningful way? The little "people you may know" widget is really useful, because it shows me names I recognize from my offline life. If it's just a random stream of pseudonyms and online handles, t…

Well, they're not using the name you know because they don't want you or other casual acquaintances to find them.

Re: Global coalition to Facebook: “Authentic names” are dangerous for your users

#20
I was recently kicked off of Facebook for lack of an "Authentic Name." Humorously my name was my legal name.

Getting kicked off of Facebook was the best thing to happen to my productivity and mood. My only frustration is that there are several people on Facebook I have no easy method of giving alternative contact info to.

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