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Peeple sites 'disappear' from web after backlash over app

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Re: Peeple sites 'disappear' from web after backlash over app

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People != Corporations. Although I can see some similarities between Yelp and Peeple, they are for rating/reviewing two fundamentally different entities.

Though I agree with you, The SCOTUS would seem to disagree with you ;-)

Yes but fortunately the last two letters of SCOTUS means it doesn't apply to 96% of humans. Peeple is/was canadian.

Re: Peeple sites 'disappear' from web after backlash over app

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John Oliver talked about this site last night on his show. What caught my attention is that it seemed like the founders were clueless, but I only know it from the show. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnZa18F8QW4 submitted here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10331184

Awesome that they actually put up the "Scream into the void" site: http://screamintothevoid.com/

Re: Peeple sites 'disappear' from web after backlash over app

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People are extremely sensitive about being judged. If someone had posted something ruinous for someone else's reputation, which also happened to be false, there's always libel lawsuits. Beyond that, to quote Mrs. Feynman's question to her famous husband, "what do you care what other people think?"

It's a whole lot more than 'sensitivity'. It's an anonymous abuse engine which holds no merit to begin with. What, exactly, would be the benefit of such an app? "Hey, I just met this great girl and she seems nice - oh, here on Peeple I see that 27 people in high school said she smells funny and one person says she murdered a baby." With no verification or checks, what exactly is the point of this app, other than to b…

>What, exactly, would be the benefit of such an app?

Extortion, blackmail, peer pressure and public humiliation come to mind. I don't know what the benefit of honest reviews would be for anyone, though.

This certainly seems like an idea better suited for the black market, however, since all the ways I can think of to make money at it are bound to be illegal somewhere, if not everywhere.

Re: Peeple sites 'disappear' from web after backlash over app

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post #32

John Oliver talked about this site last night on his show. What caught my attention is that it seemed like the founders were clueless, but I only know it from the show. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnZa18F8QW4 submitted here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10331184

Awesome that they actually put up the "Scream into the void" site: http://screamintothevoid.com/

Also see http://www.ourladyofperpetualexemption.com/

Re: Peeple sites 'disappear' from web after backlash over app

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Why do people seem to overwhelmingly consider this such a bad/despicable idea? Doesn't it seem like it would prevent some motivation for people not to be assholes? Are people worried about inevitable misuse (bullying?)? We all do this rating in real life. Sometimes people talk about their ratings of other people with each other ("yeah, I know john, he's really annoying"). You know which of your friends are good and w…

> Why not make this open knowledge? Suppose Alice tells me that Bob is flaky and can't be relied on. I need a lot of information in order to be able to evaluate that claim. * Maybe Alice and Bob were in a relationship a few months ago, and there was a bad breakup. Alice's experience of Bob would probably be different from my experience of Bob. * Maybe Alice also told me bad things about Carol and Dan, so I think that…

Suppose the app was smart enough to do some clever analysis.

For example, if all the people who leave bad reviews of Bob are all friends with each other, it should count as a single bad review (so as to not double-count the evidence), and if Alice left bad reviews of several of your friends, it should know that you will probably find Alice untrustworthy, because she dislikes the people you like.

Not that we can trust Peeple or any other app to get that right, but it sounds like it should be possible.

Re: Peeple sites 'disappear' from web after backlash over app

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why not make this open knowledge? Suppose Alice tells me that Bob is flaky and can't be relied on. I need a lot of information in order to be able to evaluate that claim. * Maybe Alice and Bob were in a relationship a few months ago, and there was a bad breakup. Alice's experience of Bob would probably be different from my experience of Bob. * Maybe Alice also told me bad things about Carol and Dan, so I think that…

Suppose the app was smart enough to do some clever analysis. For example, if all the people who leave bad reviews of Bob are all friends with each other, it should count as a single bad review (so as to not double-count the evidence), and if Alice left bad reviews of several of your friends, it should know that you will probably find Alice untrustworthy, because she dislikes the people you like. Not that we can trust…

> Suppose the app was smart enough to do some clever analysis.

When Alice gives a bad review of Bob, I think to myself, "Why is Alice giving a bad review of Bob?" I'm putting myself in Alice's shoes. There is absolutely no hope that a computer program would be sophisticated enough to do that, not yet, not for at least a decade (translation: possibly not in my lifetime).

Computers can't even solve the "simple" problem of matching people in romantic relationships. When we throw computers at the more general problem of human interactions and trust, we should naturally expect them to completely botch it.

Re: Peeple sites 'disappear' from web after backlash over app

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Why do people seem to overwhelmingly consider this such a bad/despicable idea? Doesn't it seem like it would prevent some motivation for people not to be assholes? Are people worried about inevitable misuse (bullying?)? We all do this rating in real life. Sometimes people talk about their ratings of other people with each other ("yeah, I know john, he's really annoying"). You know which of your friends are good and w…

I see this as a bad idea because it is personal and it is in print. When people have a bad experience with each other, time tends to heal the situation and many learn from the experience and most move on. Perhaps many situations could be chalked up to personality chemistry or bad timing or health issues.

When the experiences are put in print and published, they drudge up the past and make a dynamic thing a static thing. The printed version of a bad experience won't heal and forgive as people do and the rating won't reinvent itself as people do.

Even credit history is not kept for more than seven years if I'm not mistaken. People do change.

Re: Peeple sites 'disappear' from web after backlash over app

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Why do people seem to overwhelmingly consider this such a bad/despicable idea? Doesn't it seem like it would prevent some motivation for people not to be assholes? Are people worried about inevitable misuse (bullying?)? We all do this rating in real life. Sometimes people talk about their ratings of other people with each other ("yeah, I know john, he's really annoying"). You know which of your friends are good and w…

Because:

(1) People ratings are far too subjective to be considered "knowledge". We have none of the context needed to evaluate the validity of these ratings—the kind of thing you can suss out when gossiping in person.

(2) People can and do change, but these ratings would persist. It makes fresh starts and self-improvement that much more difficult.

(3) People can and do forgive, but these ratings would serve as permanent reminders of bad deeds.

(4) What problem do these ratings solve? I see many problems created, but with no real benefit.

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