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In Some Cultures People with Schizophrenia Like the Voices They Hear

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Of course, in the West these places are called churches. Many people with schizophrenia say they see heavenly figures and talk to them, they are called prophets who receive "revelations" from god.

Yep. I think one reason religions spread and became common is that humanity simply didn't know any better. Today we would diagnose supernatural experiences as mental disorders. Back then, they were "witnessing miracles" or "conversing with God".

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> "The screaming, fighting ... [they say] jump in front of the train," one US participant said.

> The voices upset them because they violate their sense of personal control, the researchers said.

The voice is not just upsetting b/c they conflict with expectations of how the mind works but those expectations will directly affect what the voice will say and how b/c the voice is part of that person.

Personally, I always wondered why nobody wondered why those "voices" tend to be destructive (at least in our western hemisphere). Now my question is partly answered with the information that this observation is not globally valid.

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> "The screaming, fighting ... [they say] jump in front of the train," one US participant said. > The voices upset them because they violate their sense of personal control, the researchers said. The voice is not just upsetting b/c they conflict with expectations of how the mind works but those expectations will directly affect what the voice will say and how b/c the voice is part of that person. Personally, I always…

According to what I have read (not directly experienced), most schizophrenics experience a split - they see the world as divided into 'good' and 'evil' forces, which might manifest as spirits or voices or whatever, and might be embodied in the form of demons or the CIA or communists on the one hand, or angels/guardians on the other. I have been really into this interview with John Weir Perry, a fascinating psychologist who had some radical notions about what he called the 'renewal process' based on his work with patients in San Francisco: http://global-vision.org/papers/JWP.pdf

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post #29

Voices? The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind [Julian Jaynes]

Yes. A plausible explanation of our cultural prejudice against "hearing voices". An amazing and thought provoking book. Even if you don't agree with his thesis. Highly recommended.

Re: In Some Cultures People with Schizophrenia Like the Voices They Hear

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post #30

Many of you are romanticizing "hearing voices" but is mostly because you don't know what that's really like, is not like talking to the mirror or "hearing your conscience". I had a friend with Schizophrenia and she cried every single day, many times she wanted to die just to make her pain go away, she tried every possible drug (legal or otherwise), the level of unrest and anxiety that she had to go through is not som…

I would not romanticize your friend's pain and suffering.

My take on the article is that hearing voices does not equate to suffering in all cases. There may be cultural or other influences involved.

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Fun fact: One charge against Socrates, the founder of western philosophy, for which he was put to death, was for hearing voices... that weren't Greek gods, but were 'other gods.' And talking about it. Preaching other gods being punishable by... death.

The Greeks were all about bringing in other gods tho, like Cybele.

One gets the feeling it was an old law nobody thought about?
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