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Deaths Draw Attention to Wall Street’s Grueling Pace

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> You can’t really stand out because most of what you’re doing does not require original thinking. So the only way you can distinguish yourself is by sheer endurance.

Several years ago, when I was weighing junior roles in trading and banking, a private equity manager with whom I consulted advised: "nobody became a millionaire by being a grunt".

Hard work is important, but it shouldn't be your chief differentiator. On a broader level, I've always found firms that rely on over-working their junior staff to (a) have rotten pathways for internal advancement and (b) a sore bias towards throwing grunts, versus technology, at process problems.

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Meh.

I can't imagine the mindset that would lead someone to sacrifice their entire existence on the pyre of working; what's the point of making big cash if you've got no time or people to enjoy it with? I think that these kind of aberrant/nauseating/maladapted pathological behaviors (working insane hours, money addiction) show a bewildering lack of wisdom that is intentionally selected for among the "most competitive" firms. They can't make a robot or computer program that completely replaces these people's ability to convert life into money, yet a robot is exactly what they need, and so they find folks who are willing to be that robot and dehumanize themselves.

There's always a lot of hubbub regarding Ivy league types landing in Goldman-esque shops then dying of overwork etc, and I think it's telling. Jumping through the hoops despite increasingly unreasonable demands is stereotypical behavior from these people, and it's very much to their detriment, as well as ours. Spinelessness has consequences. These are the people that society views as the elite, yet they're childish in their inability to reality-check the limits of their own lives, which results in poor mental health and suicide or drug abuse.

I can't muster empathy here. They worked hard for their chance to play brutal games, and then got brutalized as a result.

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Meh. I can't imagine the mindset that would lead someone to sacrifice their entire existence on the pyre of working; what's the point of making big cash if you've got no time or people to enjoy it with? I think that these kind of aberrant/nauseating/maladapted pathological behaviors (working insane hours, money addiction) show a bewildering lack of wisdom that is intentionally selected for among the "most competitive…

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Meh. I can't imagine the mindset that would lead someone to sacrifice their entire existence on the pyre of working; what's the point of making big cash if you've got no time or people to enjoy it with? I think that these kind of aberrant/nauseating/maladapted pathological behaviors (working insane hours, money addiction) show a bewildering lack of wisdom that is intentionally selected for among the "most competitive…

Absolutely on point.

What always amazes me about these "super-lemmings" is that they are so unaware that they are being thoroughly exploited. They don't understand basic economics, that if you have zero leisure time, all of your earnings are for nothing.

I'm sure their goals are some variation of: "I'll work 120 hour weeks for 5 years straight to make a seven figure nest egg, then retire off the interest forever."

This single variable optimization is very childish for somebody supposedly schooled in economics. Very few human decisions are based on a single variable, as we are fragile creatures with a large number of physical, emotional and mental needs that need to be satisfied on a daily basis.

Let this be a warning to all the SV hopefuls: don't be a lemming. Don't sacrifice rationality for idealism. There are severe consequences.

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I just finished the longest stint of work that I've had in my short career. Probably 80 hours for two weeks. I didn't really keep track.

I have mixed feelings. I got a lot done. The quality of work that happened around 8-10pm was pretty low, but it got done. I did no physical activity and my stress levels were through the roof, which led to some moments of intense mental anguish. On the other hand, I felt a great sense of accomplishment and knowing that I am capable of working that diligently on something is satisfying.

So I understand why bankers work these hours and even defend them. I also understand why someone might feel like killing themselves after working >80 hours for months or years on end.

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Meh. I can't imagine the mindset that would lead someone to sacrifice their entire existence on the pyre of working; what's the point of making big cash if you've got no time or people to enjoy it with? I think that these kind of aberrant/nauseating/maladapted pathological behaviors (working insane hours, money addiction) show a bewildering lack of wisdom that is intentionally selected for among the "most competitive…

Absolutely on point. What always amazes me about these "super-lemmings" is that they are so unaware that they are being thoroughly exploited. They don't understand basic economics, that if you have zero leisure time, all of your earnings are for nothing. I'm sure their goals are some variation of: "I'll work 120 hour weeks for 5 years straight to make a seven figure nest egg, then retire off the interest forever." Th…

'Meh' this comment sequence. If I overreact, it's because these were at the top of comment thread when I caught the post, and (at the risk going Reddit on HN) this is pure Reddit ad hominem BS. Self-proclaimed übermenschen defy gravity in their own minds. Great. Have at it.

Edit: Sorry, should have said 'self-imagined' rather than 'self-proclaimed.' Regardless, login in 20 years and let me know how it's worked out.

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These three cases seem to be ill-linked in the correlation/causation department. One was a clear medical condition; another a suicide; and the third was linked to an event involved a relapse of substance abuse. Three deaths of this nature could easily occur in any industry with a presence in a major city like nY, sf, london, tokyo, hong kong, paris etc. How many creatives list similar CODs ? Heath ledger, amy winehouse, peaches geldof and many other creative types at varying levels of success. We can look high-risk activities and see near-suicidal behaviour in the extreme sports athletes (RIP dean potter and 250 others http://base-jumping.eu/base-jumping-fatality-list/). And similar medical related deaths and accidents occur in athletes even in standard sports (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health-and-fitness/healt...).

Which is no apology for mis-management. Its just perhaps a larger picture issue than any single industry or particular niche. Glory and all that.

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