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Chrisann Brennan on Steve Jobs

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Re: Chrisann Brennan on Steve Jobs

#11

Ick, ick, ick. I wish I could downvote this. I stopped reading when it became clear what Brennan was doing - betraying a lot of confidences with Jobs to make a lot of money. I believe that he was often genuinely awful, and for all I know, Brennan could have been cheated out of a lot of money. But there are things in here that could hurt Jobs' wife and kids. Brennan should be ashamed.

The abandoned mother of the abandoned child of a multimillionaire is justified in recounting any awful behavior she cares to recount.

"We should not seek revenge on those who have committed crimes against us, or reply to their crimes with other crimes. We should reflect that by the law of karma, they are in danger of lowly and miserable lives to come, and that our duty to them, as to every being, is to help them to rise towards Nirvana, rather than let them sink to lower levels of rebirth." — the Dalai Lama

Re: Chrisann Brennan on Steve Jobs

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post #4

Just checking: You know that a bunch of people took Nazi propaganda, changed the word "Jew" to "migrant", and posted it to the Daily Mail comment section, and that those comments were upvoted by DM readers? https://medium.com/@bestofthemail/i-was-upvoted-for-posting-... And, scarily, the Nazi propaganda was mild in contrast to other comments openly calling for the murder of migrants? Look at the upvotes on these comm…

I am probably missing something, but I take it you're okay with The Guardian as a source? How is this not clickbait? https://twitter.com/somuchguardian

Re: Chrisann Brennan on Steve Jobs

#13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The abandoned mother of the abandoned child of a multimillionaire is justified in recounting any awful behavior she cares to recount.

"We should not seek revenge on those who have committed crimes against us, or reply to their crimes with other crimes. We should reflect that by the law of karma, they are in danger of lowly and miserable lives to come, and that our duty to them, as to every being, is to help them to rise towards Nirvana, rather than let them sink to lower levels of rebirth." — the Dalai Lama

Is this a religious discussion now? I'm not sure that applies, anyway; ISTM that Jobs is already a dung beetle, or whatever. Besides, TFA is hardly "seeking revenge". The tone isn't even particularly harsh. It's just: here's some shit that dude did.

Re: Chrisann Brennan on Steve Jobs

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post #2

Although the tabloid could hardly have framed this article in a viler way, what Brennan actually wrote is reflective and poignant and deserves to be read. If there's another URL we can switch to, we'd be happy to (I tried but couldn't find one). If you comment on this article, please be charitable and please stick to what's interesting about it.

I do not understand the need to be charitable to Steve Jobs.

If he was not the brilliant leader of Apple we would simply say he was a douche bag. Just because he was great in one area does not excuse behaviour in another. Is there any level of business achievement that says that it is ok to have millions whilst the mother of your daughter is struggling to survive whilst bringing up your daughter?

As a business man he was brilliant. As a father he was a loser.

Re: Chrisann Brennan on Steve Jobs

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post #4

Just checking: You know that a bunch of people took Nazi propaganda, changed the word "Jew" to "migrant", and posted it to the Daily Mail comment section, and that those comments were upvoted by DM readers? https://medium.com/@bestofthemail/i-was-upvoted-for-posting-... And, scarily, the Nazi propaganda was mild in contrast to other comments openly calling for the murder of migrants? Look at the upvotes on these comm…

Yeah, but there's a subset of HN that prefers their racism scientific.

Re: Chrisann Brennan on Steve Jobs

#18

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3s-qZsjK8I

You've posted several random comments about Steve Jobs that have nothing to do with this article. Those are not substantive comments. We don't need an "I love Steve" vs. "I hate Steve" discussion here—as generic as it is tedious.

Re: Chrisann Brennan on Steve Jobs

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post #2

Although the tabloid could hardly have framed this article in a viler way, what Brennan actually wrote is reflective and poignant and deserves to be read. If there's another URL we can switch to, we'd be happy to (I tried but couldn't find one). If you comment on this article, please be charitable and please stick to what's interesting about it.

I do not understand the need to be charitable to Steve Jobs. If he was not the brilliant leader of Apple we would simply say he was a douche bag. Just because he was great in one area does not excuse behaviour in another. Is there any level of business achievement that says that it is ok to have millions whilst the mother of your daughter is struggling to survive whilst bringing up your daughter? As a business man he…

It isn't about excusing anything, but about avoiding tedious tirades. Articles that are interesting enough to be on HN deserve discussion about what they actually say. Being charitable involves stopping and reflecting rather than spewing a prepared statement, which most of us are all too ready to do, especially when given a shot of anger. HN is about seeking to understand, which is not compatible with reciting pre-existing judgments. (Edit: I'm not referring to you here, but to a tendency we all have, which consequently tends to build up in HN threads.)

Brennan's piece struck me as a pretty good example both of seeking to understand and of being charitable without excusing bad behavior. If anyone has reason not to do those things it's her, so I don't see why we can't too.

Re: Chrisann Brennan on Steve Jobs

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post #18

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3s-qZsjK8I

You've posted several random comments about Steve Jobs that have nothing to do with this article. Those are not substantive comments. We don't need an "I love Steve" vs. "I hate Steve" discussion here—as generic as it is tedious.

Random?
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