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Re: Google Cloud Shell

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Post by kuschku »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #69
kuschku wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, not always. As a student, you don’t want to spend 4$ for a cloud console, plus 4$ for cloud IRC, plus 20$ for a VPS, plus 12$ for your phone contract, plus 120$ for a new phone every 2 years... I – like most people – don’t let useless devices run on standby either, costing me upwards of 30$ a year for a TV on standby. As a student, I don’t buy totally overpriced coffee that costs that much either.

Your TV uses 25 watts on standby?

No, but electricity is 40 cents per kWh.

Re: Google Cloud Shell

#82

Post by kuschku »

anthony_d wrote: post #60
kuschku wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, not always. As a student, you don’t want to spend 4$ for a cloud console, plus 4$ for cloud IRC, plus 20$ for a VPS, plus 12$ for your phone contract, plus 120$ for a new phone every 2 years... I – like most people – don’t let useless devices run on standby either, costing me upwards of 30$ a year for a TV on standby. As a student, I don’t buy totally overpriced coffee that costs that much either.

A sure sign of a weak argument is including the phrase "... like most people ..." Do you really think most people unplug their televisions after using them?

Most people use socket strips with switches for their TV, yes. At 40ct per kWh, no one can afford to let that shit run 24/7.

Re: Google Cloud Shell

#83

Post by mark_l_watson »

csells wrote: post #42
mark_l_watson wrote: post #10

Nice idea. I do a lot of my development SSHing to a resource rich VPS. For things that take a long time to run (Haskel stack builds, a long running machine learning calculation, etc.) it is great to not run that stuff on a laptop. Cloud Shell is a bit different in the sense you would not want to try anything resource intensive on a micro instance. But for coordinating other services it makes sense. I think Google nee…

Mark, if you'd like to try our version of a "web based IDE that gives you access to work with any code you have in your private Google-hosted git repos", check out the Source Editor feature of the Cloud Source Repositories: https://cloud.google.com/tools/cloud-repositories/docs/cloud... Also, we're alpha testing some integration with the Source Editor and the Cloud Shell right now, so anyone that would like to partic…

Thanks Chris.

Re: Google Cloud Shell

#85

Post by developer1 »

babo wrote: post #63
Wonnk13 wrote: post #32

Coming from an AWS shop, I guess I don't understand the use case(s) for this. What this enable me to do that I couldn't accomplish by ssh'ing to any of the boxes in my environment?

You can reach your full cloud infrastructure from any browser, all you need to remember is your google password. No need for a terminal or ssh, a regular windows, os x, linux, chromebook or tablet will do. Quite handy.

Handy? That sounds like a security nightmare. Your instances are accessible by simply being able to gain access to the Google account? Even with 2-factor authentication, this is a serious no-no to basic security requirements. A remote server should be only accessible from specific IPs using ssh keys. No passwords, no world-accessible browser interface.

Re: Google Cloud Shell

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Post by kuschku »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #84
kuschku wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, but electricity is 40 cents per kWh.

Well, that's not typical of most of the world, and that's still a lot more watts than something on standby should be using.

That’s typical for most of the EU. A group of 500 million people. More than the US. Meaning, there are more people unplugging TVs to save money than there people who are able to waste their money on Starbucks coffees.

And if more people are unplugging their TVs to save money than there are people wasting money on Starbucks coffees, then maybe, just maybe, saving 1.20$ per month on a VPS is worth it.

Re: Google Cloud Shell

#87

Post by aianus »

developer1 wrote: post #85
babo wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can reach your full cloud infrastructure from any browser, all you need to remember is your google password. No need for a terminal or ssh, a regular windows, os x, linux, chromebook or tablet will do. Quite handy.

Handy? That sounds like a security nightmare. Your instances are accessible by simply being able to gain access to the Google account? Even with 2-factor authentication, this is a serious no-no to basic security requirements. A remote server should be only accessible from specific IPs using ssh keys. No passwords, no world-accessible browser interface.

> A remote server should be only accessible from specific IPs using ssh keys. No passwords, no world-accessible browser interface.

Maybe if you own the servers.

Since they're Google's or Amazon's servers you have to be able to administer them with some set of Google or Amazon credentials. Otherwise what would you do if sshd crashed?

Re: Google Cloud Shell

#88

Post by aianus »

kuschku wrote: post #82
anthony_d wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A sure sign of a weak argument is including the phrase "... like most people ..." Do you really think most people unplug their televisions after using them?

Most people use socket strips with switches for their TV, yes. At 40ct per kWh, no one can afford to let that shit run 24/7.

Where is that? That's literally 4-6x more expensive than my electricity.

Re: Google Cloud Shell

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Post by kuschku »

aianus wrote: post #88
kuschku wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most people use socket strips with switches for their TV, yes. At 40ct per kWh, no one can afford to let that shit run 24/7.

Where is that? That's literally 4-6x more expensive than my electricity.

Germany, for example (Where I live). Most people don’t live in the US, and for most people wasting 1.20$ for a product where you save one or two lines of code to integrate it is not okay.

I seriously rewrote several web products myself that I'd have to normally pay 4$ or so per month for. I took over development for the QuasselDroid Android client because I could not afford IRCCloud. I ended up rewriting all the features of Reddit Gold last night as a browser extension because I can’t afford wasting money on Reddit Gold.

It’s problematic wasting money in one place, but for a dozen services at once? Nope, that’s gonna bankrupt a student who has no income except for a small grant.

Re: Google Cloud Shell

#90

Post by zer0defex »

kuschku wrote: post #82
anthony_d wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A sure sign of a weak argument is including the phrase "... like most people ..." Do you really think most people unplug their televisions after using them?

Most people use socket strips with switches for their TV, yes. At 40ct per kWh, no one can afford to let that shit run 24/7.

You really believe "most people" use socket strips and a remote control to turn their tv's on and off each time? In the words of respected philosopher Nelson (from The Simpsons), "Ha Ha"
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