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The Benefits of a Quiet Ego

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Re: The Benefits of a Quiet Ego

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The gold is at the bottom: “The humble person is probably more aware and accepting of the fact that against a cosmic scale of time and space, every human being is minute.” If there's one thing that will humble you it's trying to fathom the scale of the universe. You think a celebrity matters at these scales? But don't let it make you feel impotent - rejoice at the fact that you're alive, you exist and the world is fu…

"What did your face look like before your parents were born?"

There's a quality in these one-liners from the Zen tradition that I haven't experienced since I was obsessed with physics in high-school.

Re: The Benefits of a Quiet Ego

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post #60

The gold is at the bottom: “The humble person is probably more aware and accepting of the fact that against a cosmic scale of time and space, every human being is minute.” If there's one thing that will humble you it's trying to fathom the scale of the universe. You think a celebrity matters at these scales? But don't let it make you feel impotent - rejoice at the fact that you're alive, you exist and the world is fu…

I never really understood how the 'the universe is vast' argument is humbling. What does size have to do with importance? That's like saying a bar of gold has less value if you store it in a bigger room. There are many humbling things in the universe, like making an off-by-one error in C++ with more than a decade of programming experience, but the vastness of the universe is not one of those things.

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Re: The Benefits of a Quiet Ego

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post #60

The gold is at the bottom: “The humble person is probably more aware and accepting of the fact that against a cosmic scale of time and space, every human being is minute.” If there's one thing that will humble you it's trying to fathom the scale of the universe. You think a celebrity matters at these scales? But don't let it make you feel impotent - rejoice at the fact that you're alive, you exist and the world is fu…

I never really understood how the 'the universe is vast' argument is humbling. What does size have to do with importance? That's like saying a bar of gold has less value if you store it in a bigger room. There are many humbling things in the universe, like making an off-by-one error in C++ with more than a decade of programming experience, but the vastness of the universe is not one of those things.

The base of that goes back to a very simple realization: On a cosmic scale nothing that we do is of great importance. This planet likely is not as special as we would like to think it is and we are not as special as we like to think we are. We are to the universe as a single bacterium is to us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fKBhvDjuy0

Is a nice recap of just how vast the universe really is and how utterly insignificant we are within it, in spite of all we're figured out and have achieved collectively. It certainly humbles me.

Re: The Benefits of a Quiet Ego

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post #14

I've come to see ego as just another evolutionary mechanism that can on occasion misfire due to the complexities of modern civilization. It's a mechanism (IMO) in gregarious species meant to maintain or enhance a member's status in the pack/tribe/group, since that status affords survival advantages. But a lot of the times when ego is triggered today have nothing to do with survival advantages or success. Identifying…

Anything can be reduced to cheap evolutionary psychology with just-so stories.

There's no need for condescension (especially on HN). I presented that as an opinion rather than a scientific assertion. In terms of practicality, it is no more valid or invalid than most of the other theories/models of the human mind we entertain. But yes, I share your disdain for evolutionary psychology theories not backed up by data (I suspect these are what you call "cheap").

Re: The Benefits of a Quiet Ego

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post #60

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I never really understood how the 'the universe is vast' argument is humbling. What does size have to do with importance? That's like saying a bar of gold has less value if you store it in a bigger room. There are many humbling things in the universe, like making an off-by-one error in C++ with more than a decade of programming experience, but the vastness of the universe is not one of those things.

The base of that goes back to a very simple realization: On a cosmic scale nothing that we do is of great importance. This planet likely is not as special as we would like to think it is and we are not as special as we like to think we are. We are to the universe as a single bacterium is to us. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fKBhvDjuy0 Is a nice recap of just how vast the universe really is and how utterly insignif…

I can just as easily extract the opposite conclusion, and say that we must be incredibly special if it took an universe that big to create us. And it's as good as a conclusion until we discover if intelligent is common or not.

I'd side with it not being a good argument.

Re: The Benefits of a Quiet Ego

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post #60

The gold is at the bottom: “The humble person is probably more aware and accepting of the fact that against a cosmic scale of time and space, every human being is minute.” If there's one thing that will humble you it's trying to fathom the scale of the universe. You think a celebrity matters at these scales? But don't let it make you feel impotent - rejoice at the fact that you're alive, you exist and the world is fu…

I never really understood how the 'the universe is vast' argument is humbling. What does size have to do with importance? That's like saying a bar of gold has less value if you store it in a bigger room. There are many humbling things in the universe, like making an off-by-one error in C++ with more than a decade of programming experience, but the vastness of the universe is not one of those things.

I used to think the same thing, but it's not about putting the gold bar in a large empty room. Consider that the our galaxy has a mass of about 6×10^42 kg. The relative abundance of gold is 6×10^-10, so our galaxy has 4×10^33 kg of gold.

The gold bar isn't in a large empty room. It's in a room filled with piles of gold, each more massive than the planet Mercury, for every person on Earth. Amongst those piles, would that single bar still hold value to you?

Edit: Formatting engine didn't like using * for multiplication

Re: The Benefits of a Quiet Ego

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It is actually Indian philosophy, based on Upanishads, much older that anything Greek/Roman. Basically, they say that it is your "ego" which prevents you, like a veil, from seeing reality as it is, because your mind is constantly busy, preoccupied with petty desires and childish concerns. Think of the ego as a virus processes with results in a high load average load average: 5.38, 5.30, 4.11 The oldest maxim says - l…

The idea of some "ultimate reality" is so annoying to me. There is regular ol' reality which our mind and senses have evolved to perceive as best they can via natural selection over millions of years. The reasons we have a lot of "scripts" running in our mind is because they have historically helped us survive and pass on our genetics. Turning them off doesn't manifest joy but a genetic dead-end, in aggregate.

We evolved to spread our genes better, yes, but how does perceiving reality as best as we can follow from that? Both things are kinda orthogonal I'd say.

> Turning them off doesn't manifest joy but a genetic dead-end, in aggregate.

Everything ends, anyway. So at worst it'd be a dead end just like everything else :P And concepts like "chair" or "puredemo" or anything we talk or think about are really more concepts than tangible, discrete entities, you might also say they're made up. They can be useful shorthands, but when they take on a life of their own in our minds, when we think the symbol is the thing, that's where things get kinda pathetic, and not rarely it turns into a sort of pyramid scheme where we have to make up more shit to defend the delusions we already are invested in. Considering neuroscience, I'd even say we are willfully overriding what we discover because we like the delusion of ego better.

And considering what humanity "in aggregate" is up to, how we pollute and destroy, I would say the latest word in the effectiveness of ego to "survive" isn't spoken yet. It's not like there is this alternate Earth where people pay attention to people like Buddha or Erich Fromm we can compare ours to.

To me saying "we" have evolved to be this way for obvious reaons is like saying "this person is a heroin addict because that's obviously the best way get them going each day", without comparing them to a non-junkie in earnest. If you think not being possessed by ego means just meditating all day or doing nothing, you're wrong, from what I understand and experienced it just means doing and being without having a fake narrative in your head about it you consider to be real and super cereal. Being deeply content and at peace feels great, too, and compared to that short bursts of "ego-based" happiness seem very flimsy.

Re: The Benefits of a Quiet Ego

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post #38

Seems like a rebranding of old ideas. We should be expecting new book soon I guess. All this has been talked about by various western authors and scholars before(Alan Watts, Joseph Campbell, Carl G. Jung etc.) and as far as I understand them, they all agree on one thing: western people are good at being individuals, having an ego, and it would be mistake to start removing this part of ourselves and think about it as…

> All this has been talked about by various western authors and scholars before(Alan Watts, Joseph Campbell, Carl G. Jung etc.)

I'm reading Marcus Aurelius (AD121-180) right now. It's one of the themes he covers over & over again.

Re: The Benefits of a Quiet Ego

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post #60

The gold is at the bottom: “The humble person is probably more aware and accepting of the fact that against a cosmic scale of time and space, every human being is minute.” If there's one thing that will humble you it's trying to fathom the scale of the universe. You think a celebrity matters at these scales? But don't let it make you feel impotent - rejoice at the fact that you're alive, you exist and the world is fu…

I never really understood how the 'the universe is vast' argument is humbling. What does size have to do with importance? That's like saying a bar of gold has less value if you store it in a bigger room. There are many humbling things in the universe, like making an off-by-one error in C++ with more than a decade of programming experience, but the vastness of the universe is not one of those things.

>I never really understood how the 'the universe is vast' argument is humbling.

The idea that if there are millions of planets like ours, containing billions and billions of beings like us, on average your "problems" could be a lot worse. I find it humbling imagining the epicness of some of the struggles going on elsewhere in the universe.

Re: The Benefits of a Quiet Ego

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The base of that goes back to a very simple realization: On a cosmic scale nothing that we do is of great importance. This planet likely is not as special as we would like to think it is and we are not as special as we like to think we are. We are to the universe as a single bacterium is to us. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fKBhvDjuy0 Is a nice recap of just how vast the universe really is and how utterly insignif…

I can just as easily extract the opposite conclusion, and say that we must be incredibly special if it took an universe that big to create us. And it's as good as a conclusion until we discover if intelligent is common or not. I'd side with it not being a good argument.

Another humbling aspect is how fragile we are. Even today, there is a number of unpredictable cosmic events outside our control that can destroy humanity and life on Earth very quickly. And every one of us is just a "meat bag" that doesn't know whether it will wake up tomorrow. I find these realizations humbling. Some people get depressed by these thought but they make me appreciate life even more.
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