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Re: Evernote is in deep trouble

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Post by sbuk » Sat, Oct 03, 2015, 10:59 PM UTC

jseliger wrote: post #7

It's interesting to me that EN is apparently in deep trouble partially because of buggy feature releases. Three days ago I wrote this comment in response to the last article about EN: I wonder if they're experiencing feature creep because they've satisfied users of the core features. I use a program called Devonthink Pro according to this method: http://www.stevenberlinjohnson.com/movabletype/archives/0002... and in…

Point of semantics - DTP already means something; DeskTop Publishing. Using it to describe another piece of software is confusing.

Re: Evernote is in deep trouble

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Post by sbuk » Sat, Oct 03, 2015, 11:02 PM UTC

teach wrote: post #17

paulsutter wrote: post #15

Evernote has me hooked on cross device persistent notes. And I will change to the first quality alternative that lets me import my existing notes from Evernote. Evernote still can't handle even simple non-overlapping changes on two devices. Every time I close my laptop I have to wonder if changes were synched. Especially embarrassing because superb open source code is already available for conflict resolution (git, f…

As a Linux user I have never used Evernote, but Google Keep has cross-device persistent notes and I've never had even the tiniest glitch with synchronization.

As a Mac and Windows user I've never used google keep as there is no native app.

Re: Evernote is in deep trouble

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Post by duaneb » Sat, Oct 03, 2015, 11:08 PM UTC

curiousjorge wrote: post #22

stevoski wrote: post #8

From this article, I have some of my software business beliefs validated: - don't be afraid to charge money - release frequent, small updates. Users tolerate this much better than infrequent big updates with major changes - focus on quality. Every update should include several bug fixes. As much as possible, fix bugs before adding new features - focus. Put all your eggs in one basket, to some extent. - watch costs li…

I feel like this should be engraved in stone and delivered to anyone who is thinking of getting into this game but try telling that to a hot headed under 30 founder who is worried about burning that cash as fast as possible to 'grow big and sell the company'. I almost feel like SV is all about exits and not enough focus on meaningful products that arise out of genuine passion to solve a real problem.

Not all products are equal.

Re: Evernote is in deep trouble

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Post by lampa » Sat, Oct 03, 2015, 11:09 PM UTC

notvladputin wrote: post #40

drinchev wrote: post #6

Products like this come and go. I don't know what the value of Evernote is. I've never been a power user. I prefer using Kippt ( sadly, also shut down ) + OS X Notes + Chrome's bookmarks + Google docs + Dropbox. Doesn't feel like a company doing something so specialised can expect a real growth out of a product that isn't remarkably well done.

While it sounds like your solution works for you, don't you think there's room in the market for one app that does all that? One of the ways of providing value is to do nothing particularly unique, but to combine several things into a unique workflow. The fact that you use 4 different services plus one that's been shutdown suggests to me someone else might want that functionality without the trial and error of figuri…

There's an app for that http://youtu.be/u-pBvs3PNIY

Re: Evernote is in deep trouble

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Post by minikites » Sat, Oct 03, 2015, 11:09 PM UTC

If you need note syncing, use Simplenote. Evernote is almost certainly overkill for what most people want.

Re: Evernote is in deep trouble

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Post by aviraldg » Sat, Oct 03, 2015, 11:10 PM UTC

sbuk wrote: post #42

teach wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a Linux user I have never used Evernote, but Google Keep has cross-device persistent notes and I've never had even the tiniest glitch with synchronization.

As a Mac and Windows user I've never used google keep as there is no native app.

There's a Chrome app, which is "native" enough for me.

Re: Evernote is in deep trouble

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Post by keerthiko » Sat, Oct 03, 2015, 11:11 PM UTC

sbuk wrote: post #42

teach wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a Linux user I have never used Evernote, but Google Keep has cross-device persistent notes and I've never had even the tiniest glitch with synchronization.

As a Mac and Windows user I've never used google keep as there is no native app.

Dropbox + .txt files. Never failed me. Just need to remember to save before you put away current device. Can use whatever editing interface I favor on whatever device I'm using -- usually Sublime on my Windows/Mac machines, I'm only viewing on my mobile devices.

Re: Evernote is in deep trouble

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Post by falcolas » Sat, Oct 03, 2015, 11:12 PM UTC

stevoski wrote: post #8

From this article, I have some of my software business beliefs validated: - don't be afraid to charge money - release frequent, small updates. Users tolerate this much better than infrequent big updates with major changes - focus on quality. Every update should include several bug fixes. As much as possible, fix bugs before adding new features - focus. Put all your eggs in one basket, to some extent. - watch costs li…

> watch costs like a hawk. Operating in 10 locations sounds like Evernote let their costs get out of control.

This one's so important. When you have some millions in the bank from VCs, it's really easy to default to "just spend it" mode. That can vanish so quickly, though... particularly when you're setting up offices with the intent of impressing potential hires and VCs.

Re: Evernote is in deep trouble

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Post by sbuk » Sat, Oct 03, 2015, 11:13 PM UTC

aviraldg wrote: post #46

sbuk wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a Mac and Windows user I've never used google keep as there is no native app.

There's a Chrome app, which is "native" enough for me.

That's great and I genuinely hope that it works for you. The point I was making was that there was no point. Text files and an ftp server are arguably as good, but ultimately meaningless in relation to the article.

Re: Evernote is in deep trouble

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Post by stonetomb » Sat, Oct 03, 2015, 11:15 PM UTC

sbuk wrote: post #42

teach wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a Linux user I have never used Evernote, but Google Keep has cross-device persistent notes and I've never had even the tiniest glitch with synchronization.

As a Mac and Windows user I've never used google keep as there is no native app.

Use the Chrome App Launcher and pin to the task bar (if using Windows). Makes using Google Keep more convenient