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Re: The Texas Biker Gang Shoot-Out

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Post by duaneb »

junto wrote: post #3

Drugs, prostitution, money laundering, violence and protection rackets. I really don't think that we should have a problem with the removal of such people from our society.

> I really don't think that we should have a problem with the removal of such people from our society.

The devil is in the details. I think that most people would happen to agree, but I don't approve of e.g. capital punishment or arresting based on being associated with a gang involved in criminal activity. These kinds of reactions don't just affect the current generation, they affect that generation's kids. Only rehabilitation of the parents is likely to seriously improve their lives, IMHO.

Re: The Texas Biker Gang Shoot-Out

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Post by joeax »

“The city of Waco is looking at paying out hundreds of millions of dollars,” says Michael White, Wilson's attorney.

This is the real problem. The police operate on a blank check principle and are held to zero accountability. The taxpayers are the real victims here.

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Post by aianus »

junto wrote: post #3

Drugs, prostitution, money laundering, violence and protection rackets. I really don't think that we should have a problem with the removal of such people from our society.

Who's going to supply us with drugs and prostitutes if not outlaws?

It's the government legislation of morality that empowers outlaws and it will never end so long as human beings like to fuck and get high.

Edit: s/causes these things/empowers outlaws/

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Post by T-Roy »

kasey_junk wrote: post #10
kazinator wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They can ... stay in society? Apparent trick questions make me nervous.

All 177 people who were at that restaurant were charged with the same thing, even though there is no evidence that they were involved. Like literally the people hiding in the bathroom were charged the same as the people shooting out front. I'm wondering what those folks did to deserve removal from society without question.

charged != convicted

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Post by SilasX »

joeax wrote: post #12

“The city of Waco is looking at paying out hundreds of millions of dollars,” says Michael White, Wilson's attorney. This is the real problem. The police operate on a blank check principle and are held to zero accountability. The taxpayers are the real victims here.

Especially when Waco only has ~150k people to begin with:

https://www.google.com/search?q=waco+population&ie=utf-8&oe=...

Re: The Texas Biker Gang Shoot-Out

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Post by kasey_junk »

T-Roy wrote: post #14
kasey_junk wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All 177 people who were at that restaurant were charged with the same thing, even though there is no evidence that they were involved. Like literally the people hiding in the bathroom were charged the same as the people shooting out front. I'm wondering what those folks did to deserve removal from society without question.

charged != convicted

Nope but in this case it does mean "spent lots (~a month) of time in jail and lost your job".

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Post by ctdonath »

junto wrote: post #3

Drugs, prostitution, money laundering, violence and protection rackets. I really don't think that we should have a problem with the removal of such people from our society.

Some of us have a VERY big problem with such removal without review by judge & jury. Seems the police were already there and prepared for a battle, and there's a viable theory they were just waiting for an excuse (not the first time such has happened in Waco, with comparably bad results). We have a judicial process for a reason, and bad things happen when "removal of such people" is taken lightly.

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Post by sp332 »

kazinator wrote: post #8
kasey_junk wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And what about folks having a hamburger at a restaurant that apparently didn't do anything?

They can ... stay in society? Apparent trick questions make me nervous.

Aside from all the ones the cops killed by indiscriminately firing into a crowded restaurant?
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