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Apple CEO Tim Cook: 'Privacy Is a Fundamental Human Right'

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Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook: 'Privacy Is a Fundamental Human Right'

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What's with apple and their super-privacy stance lately? First his letter, and now his interview. Not that I mind it, but I feel like they're expecting something bad to come out soon.

> But what they don't want to do, they don't want your email to be read, and then to pick up on keywords in your email and then to use that information to then market you things on a different application that you're using. ...

Sounds like they are taking jabs at one of their biggest competitors, Google.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook: 'Privacy Is a Fundamental Human Right'

#12
"Here is what we do on our platform. Here is what an unnamed search engine company does, or might in theory do, on their platform. You will probably agree: what we do is better in multiple, obvious ways. To be even less subtle, I am indeed trying to cast our competitor in very bad light."

If they're willing to walk the walk, I don't even mind how transparent this "privacy as a competitive advantage" strategy is.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook: 'Privacy Is a Fundamental Human Right'

#14

What's with apple and their super-privacy stance lately? First his letter, and now his interview. Not that I mind it, but I feel like they're expecting something bad to come out soon.

They have no business model based on consumer information. Guess who does? One of their big competitors, Google, whose revenues are 90% made up of advertising, thrives on this data.

Further, privacy is obviously a hot topic, well at least in tech discourse. None of my friends are really bothered by any privacy concerns and couldn't care less if Google mines their email to provide targeted ads, honestly... But to the extent that privacy is meaningful to people, safeguarding it is obviously a benefit and thereby something one can sell, and seeing as there've been so many different scandals people probably are at least somewhat sensitive to privacy-centric marketing.

In short, they're selling a consumer benefit while taking a jab at the competition. Not a bad deal, there are barely any cons. Apple never really got into the advertising game, doesn't need to and unlikely plans to. They've had some ad products and neglected it for a long time, probably in large part because ads are a shitty consumer experience and Apple tries to offer the best experience even if that requires higher consumer prices. And finally it's completely in line with Apple's business models on content in the past, creating walled gardens to push paid content (music, books, news, apps), advertising doesn't really fit into that context.

Consider also that it's obviously in line with Apple being the 'nice guys', who recycle materials, appreciate diversity, the artists who just want to be free blabla. Businesses or governments tracking users doesn't fit that narrative and protecting users from these parties does.

And finally, I do believe they genuinely care without any ulterior motive and are willing to push for the things they care about if it doesn't hurt them (much).

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook: 'Privacy Is a Fundamental Human Right'

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post #7

> If you buy something from the App Store, we do know what you bought from the App Store, obviously. We think customers are fine with that. Users should also be able to install apps on their iPhones without Apple knowing what they're doing. Personal computing devices shouldn't have artificial walled gardens. But I agree with him on everything else and think he's a hero for what he's doing.

Unfortunately if you remove the walls from the garden you get a malware, crapware, and (ironically given the topic) spyware explosion -- a tragedy of the commons more or less. Mobile devices are used by over a billion people, most of whom don't know much about computers. From the perspective of sleazy marketers and black hat hackers that's a lot of fresh meat. They're better than PCs since they're studded with sensors, allowing the user to be tracked and spied upon to an unprecedented degree.

Look at the Google Play store and the Android ecosystem, which is comparatively more open. If you don't know what you're doing and install apps from the app store without examining them closely, you'll get random ads, trackers uploading your geo-location constantly to god-knows-where, etc.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook: 'Privacy Is a Fundamental Human Right'

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post #7

> If you buy something from the App Store, we do know what you bought from the App Store, obviously. We think customers are fine with that. Users should also be able to install apps on their iPhones without Apple knowing what they're doing. Personal computing devices shouldn't have artificial walled gardens. But I agree with him on everything else and think he's a hero for what he's doing.

I think that what Apple has done here is an acceptable tradeoff. The app store trades a small amount of privacy for a lot more security. Looking at Android's perpetual issues with this makes me think that Apple made the right choice.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook: 'Privacy Is a Fundamental Human Right'

#17

What's with apple and their super-privacy stance lately? First his letter, and now his interview. Not that I mind it, but I feel like they're expecting something bad to come out soon.

Apple is essentially the only major US tech company that doesn't rely heavily on advertising income (and thus on online profiling to target ads effectively), and they've realized that this gives them a moral high horse from which to attack their competitors without actually having to change any of their own habits.

I wouldn't necessarily say, they have suddenly realized this; they have been leading by example for user experience for awhile and are now just being more public about it.

Nobody that really understands the problem of no privacy between government or another collecting agency knows enough to weight it on purchasing their device or going with their OS for their phone, tablet, or laptop. If more people knew, how it could be for collecting every single thing from a user, i'm sure apple products would sell more, so I do agree with your point, that it is better to now advertise this.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook: 'Privacy Is a Fundamental Human Right'

#18

What's with apple and their super-privacy stance lately? First his letter, and now his interview. Not that I mind it, but I feel like they're expecting something bad to come out soon.

Apple is essentially the only major US tech company that doesn't rely heavily on advertising income (and thus on online profiling to target ads effectively), and they've realized that this gives them a moral high horse from which to attack their competitors without actually having to change any of their own habits.

Neither Amazon nor Microsoft rely heavily on advertising income.

Neither does IBM, HP, Oracle, Cisco, Salesforce, etc.

In fact when it comes to "major US tech companies", either by revenue or by market cap, I can only think of Facebook and Google that make money mainly from advertising income.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook: 'Privacy Is a Fundamental Human Right'

#19

What's with apple and their super-privacy stance lately? First his letter, and now his interview. Not that I mind it, but I feel like they're expecting something bad to come out soon.

I think they see this as a key differentiator between iOS/iCloud and Google services and they want the public to know about it. In a post-Snowden world, it's worth noting the difference between platforms that prioritize user privacy and platforms that share user data with advertisers in return for additional services.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook: 'Privacy Is a Fundamental Human Right'

#20
post #7

> If you buy something from the App Store, we do know what you bought from the App Store, obviously. We think customers are fine with that. Users should also be able to install apps on their iPhones without Apple knowing what they're doing. Personal computing devices shouldn't have artificial walled gardens. But I agree with him on everything else and think he's a hero for what he's doing.

>Personal computing devices shouldn't have artificial walled gardens.

I couldn't agree more with this sentiment. Requiring that all software on your device be signed by a single entity (i.e. apple) is horrifying when you think about where that might lead to in the future.

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