El Capitan and Homebrew

Post by duskwuff » Thu, Oct 01, 2015, 4:36 PM UTC

theptip wrote: post #206

DannyBee wrote: post #152

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A. There is no real standard here B. Apple doesn't bend, period. They don't actually care whether the use is appropriate or inappropriate. C. Blaming this on homebrew is hilarious Remind me again why i should need to reboot into recovery mode to create a directory?

There is a standard: http://news.stanford.edu/pr/2015/pr-worms-digest-plastics-09... . This is from RedHat. Not implemented by everyone, but modern OSes (e.g. CoreOS) seem to follow the patterns. CoreOS also do everything in their power to prevent you from mounting /usr as writeable. Perhaps that doesn't pass your bar for 'real' though since it's not globally implemented ;)

Post by schmichael » Thu, Oct 01, 2015, 4:43 PM UTC

Post by tptacek » Thu, Oct 01, 2015, 4:47 PM UTC

OJFord wrote: post #205

_b8r0 wrote: post #86

To be fair, homebrew shouldn't need to change perms, it should follow common unix standards or at least fit in with OSX rather than require a hack. For years I've felt homebrew should really use either /opt/ or ~/.homebrew/ by default.

> it should follow common unix standards Isn't /usr/local? > or at least fit in with OSX It did - before now /usr/local was available unprivileged with ownership. > rather than require a hack It only needs that now, since requirements to "fit in with OSX" have changed. That's not Homebrew's fault - they need a fast solution. Kudos in my book for responding before it's a problem.

Post by schmichael » Thu, Oct 01, 2015, 4:59 PM UTC

superchink wrote: post #216

schmichael wrote: post #213

Why does homebrew install things as root anyway? Seems like defaulting to installing in your home directory would be a much better practice.

Homebrew does not advocate installing things as root. You can read more about it here: https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew/blob/master/share/doc/h...

Post by quesera » Thu, Oct 01, 2015, 5:09 PM UTC

tptacek wrote: post #215

OJFord wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it should follow common unix standards Isn't /usr/local? > or at least fit in with OSX It did - before now /usr/local was available unprivileged with ownership. > rather than require a hack It only needs that now, since requirements to "fit in with OSX" have changed. That's not Homebrew's fault - they need a fast solution. Kudos in my book for responding before it's a problem.

No, /usr/local is normally 755 root:root (or whatever the effective equivalent is). Homebrew wants it to be 775 root:admin, so that users with the admin bit can write to it. That's not standard. People keep writing here as if El Cap removes /usr/local entirely. It does not. /usr/local is there by default. You only have to go into recovery mode if you've somehow removed it yourself.