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Re: Mexico’s Missing Forty-Three: One Year, Many Lies, and a Theory

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Post by j_camarena » Thu, Oct 01, 2015, 4:14 PM UTC

misiti3780 wrote: post #9

armandososa wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should come to Mexico, it's like living in a (grim) movie universe.

but it isnt all of mexico right? (forgive me, I have read a lot of books + articles on this but this is my impression) the violence is more concentrated in areas like Sinaloa, Ciudad Juárez, Nuevo Laredo etc. I know there are multiple cartels but it is my understanding that a lot of the murders can be attributed to the war been Sinaloa and the Zetas up north ?

Totally.

You'll be safe in Every Mexican city unless trying to get drugs in shady places... and this is a rule to follow Everywhere in the world.

As a fact, Mexico City is actually safer than Washington DC.

Re: Mexico’s Missing Forty-Three: One Year, Many Lies, and a Theory

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Post by derrickdirge » Thu, Oct 01, 2015, 4:19 PM UTC

dethstar wrote: post #3

About the sixth bus, apparently the sicarios realized it wasn't who they were looking for and shouted: "we fucked up", and the leader replied: "leave no witness alive" edit: I think it's kind of sad that there's people capable of ending other people's lives just like that, with no remorse, no second thought about it. With that said, many did survive. edit 2: after re-reading the source I posted below I noticed that I…

>About the sixth bus, apparently the sicarios realized it wasn't who they were looking for and shouted: "we fucked up", and the leader replied: "leave no witness alive"

What's the source for this?

Re: Mexico’s Missing Forty-Three: One Year, Many Lies, and a Theory

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Post by dethstar » Thu, Oct 01, 2015, 4:20 PM UTC

j_camarena wrote: post #11

misiti3780 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

but it isnt all of mexico right? (forgive me, I have read a lot of books + articles on this but this is my impression) the violence is more concentrated in areas like Sinaloa, Ciudad Juárez, Nuevo Laredo etc. I know there are multiple cartels but it is my understanding that a lot of the murders can be attributed to the war been Sinaloa and the Zetas up north ?

Totally. You'll be safe in Every Mexican city unless trying to get drugs in shady places... and this is a rule to follow Everywhere in the world. As a fact, Mexico City is actually safer than Washington DC.

That's bullshit (about being safe every where unless doing shady business) as an example I was almost abducted while waiting for my bus in the bus terminal.

I know of people missing who's only doing was driving thru a highway to go somewhere else. This idea that only Bad People doing Bad Things™ are in risk here is dumb.

Re: Mexico’s Missing Forty-Three: One Year, Many Lies, and a Theory

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Post by dethstar » Thu, Oct 01, 2015, 4:21 PM UTC

derrickdirge wrote: post #12

dethstar wrote: post #3

About the sixth bus, apparently the sicarios realized it wasn't who they were looking for and shouted: "we fucked up", and the leader replied: "leave no witness alive" edit: I think it's kind of sad that there's people capable of ending other people's lives just like that, with no remorse, no second thought about it. With that said, many did survive. edit 2: after re-reading the source I posted below I noticed that I…

>About the sixth bus, apparently the sicarios realized it wasn't who they were looking for and shouted: "we fucked up", and the leader replied: "leave no witness alive" What's the source for this?

I don't have a source in English, sorry

http://www.milenio.com/estados/Jorge_evita_que_mataran_a_mas...

Re: Mexico’s Missing Forty-Three: One Year, Many Lies, and a Theory

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Post by JoeAltmaier » Thu, Oct 01, 2015, 4:22 PM UTC

dethstar wrote: post #13

j_camarena wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Totally. You'll be safe in Every Mexican city unless trying to get drugs in shady places... and this is a rule to follow Everywhere in the world. As a fact, Mexico City is actually safer than Washington DC.

That's bullshit (about being safe every where unless doing shady business) as an example I was almost abducted while waiting for my bus in the bus terminal. I know of people missing who's only doing was driving thru a highway to go somewhere else. This idea that only Bad People doing Bad Things™ are in risk here is dumb.

Also, drug buyers are customers. It would seem crazy for a dealer to endanger customers on a regular basis. So, buying drugs in a shady part of town should be (relatively) safer than most activities?

Re: Mexico’s Missing Forty-Three: One Year, Many Lies, and a Theory

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Post by dethstar » Thu, Oct 01, 2015, 4:44 PM UTC

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #15

dethstar wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's bullshit (about being safe every where unless doing shady business) as an example I was almost abducted while waiting for my bus in the bus terminal. I know of people missing who's only doing was driving thru a highway to go somewhere else. This idea that only Bad People doing Bad Things™ are in risk here is dumb.

Also, drug buyers are customers . It would seem crazy for a dealer to endanger customers on a regular basis. So, buying drugs in a shady part of town should be (relatively) safer than most activities?

I don't know about being relatively safer, if you have a higher income than average you definitely can become a target because, via their other business (extortion, kidnapping and asking for rescue) they can also obtain profit, so being successful can be risky.

Now, are dealers purposively endangering their clients? I don't think so, but risks do come with getting drugs (e.g the police/military comes by, a rival cartel comes by, etc). Also, most of their income comes from the drugs they sell in the states so I don't think losing customers here is such a (monetary) loss to them.

Re: Mexico’s Missing Forty-Three: One Year, Many Lies, and a Theory

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Post by billiam » Thu, Oct 01, 2015, 4:56 PM UTC

jstalin wrote: post #6

More victims of the war on drugs...

This isn't really about the war on drugs, but about the tradition in Mexico, not uniquely more than most countries, that literally every state organ is involved in criminal activity, and is in many ways indistinguishable from the crime cartels. It varies a lot across the country, but this has been true for a lot of Mexico's history. It may look crazy to us, but the political establishment has always been a part of whatever makes money in Mexico; it just happens to be drugs these days.

The sad part is how cheaply the lives of these young people, including the future school teachers of this part of Mexico, were thrown away. In a podunk place like Iguala, where literally every state and local was on the payroll with the cartels, the apparent desperation at having a drug-carrying bus discovered galvanized not just the police, not just the 27th Battalion, but EVERYBODY, to slaughter anybody they could find on a bus. They appear to have been more organized about this mass murder than they were about anything else in their sorry careers "protecting" the people of Mexico.

Every time I feel disgusted about the state of politics in the United States, I should remind myself of what Churchill said about our system: it's the worst, except for all the others.

Re: Mexico’s Missing Forty-Three: One Year, Many Lies, and a Theory

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Post by betolink » Thu, Oct 01, 2015, 5:04 PM UTC

A010 wrote: post #5

gadders wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sounds like a movie plot, not real life.

Like ... Narcos? I don't know, isn't that based on true story?

Mexico is where the new Narcos live and operate since the fall of the Colombian cartels so in a sense yes but worse.

Re: Mexico’s Missing Forty-Three: One Year, Many Lies, and a Theory

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Post by te » Thu, Oct 01, 2015, 5:07 PM UTC

misiti3780 wrote: post #9

armandososa wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should come to Mexico, it's like living in a (grim) movie universe.

but it isnt all of mexico right? (forgive me, I have read a lot of books + articles on this but this is my impression) the violence is more concentrated in areas like Sinaloa, Ciudad Juárez, Nuevo Laredo etc. I know there are multiple cartels but it is my understanding that a lot of the murders can be attributed to the war been Sinaloa and the Zetas up north ?

Right, it isn't all of Mexico.

http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/alertswarnings/...

Re: Mexico’s Missing Forty-Three: One Year, Many Lies, and a Theory

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Post by betolink » Thu, Oct 01, 2015, 5:11 PM UTC

As a side note, you can see how corrupt the Mexican State is when the police knew there were students in those buses but didn't care about the consequences of their actions.