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OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by click170 »

on_ wrote: post #133
click170 wrote: post #101

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I share your sentiment towards privacy, I guard mine fiercely as well. If I may say so though, I think you're coming at this the wrong way. Trying to disable every component in the OS that phones home simply doesn't scale, may I suggest you explore gateway firewall devices such as PFSense, or the free version of Sophos' UTM if you prefer a more polished UI? I use a Sophos UTM at home and I can see (and block) every r…

Thanks, this was a helpful response unlike the SOish answers which I found unneccesarily hostile. If you see my comment below I was fairly protected. I will look into those suggestions. Do to the differences and additions in caputan little snitch does not work. I havent connected to internet yet whoch ice floor needs to be configured properly. Does SOPHOS UTM work well even as a free version. It is annoying when snit…

The only limitation on the free version of the utm that I found so far is that you can't have more than 10 IPs active, but nothing stops you from using nat to get around that.

The utm itself actually hosts and serves the VPN connection by the way. My phone connects directly to the VPN on my UTM. You'll see a speed hit because of the extra hop unless you put your utm in the cloud.

I hope that's helpful :)

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by on_ »

interpol_p wrote: post #55
on_ wrote: post #53

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Thanks. I will disable it. Not to be rude, as I appreciate the advice, but what would you consider: > a really good reason? I think access to my own filesystem is good enough. I admit when I looked at the reviews, I made sure there were no major issues before upgrade but missed this "sys integrity" thing.

Disabling it would increase the attack area for a malicious app that could somehow gain elevated access. Since it is possible to disable, why not disable it as-needed rather than always?

> why not disable it as needed

i am. ;)

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by on_ »

PurellYourAss wrote: post #99
on_ wrote: post #30

Just upgraded. Can't delete apps. Anyone figured this out yet? Admin accound sudo rm -rf "game center.app" is returning operation not permitted. Appcleaner is not even able to find the packkages much less delete them. I have the GM though. What is this about? Edit: upgrading to the appstore version. Not sure if this was GM specific, or they are locking the Os down even more. Edit2: if you forget your password immeadi…

This is the stupidest thing I have ever read.

Please elaborate.

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by veidr »

kngspook wrote: post #134
cpeterso wrote: post #109

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Does OS X place any of its own files in /usr/local?

I can't speak to El Capitan, but no Apple software has dropped anything in /usr/local that I've found in the last 3+ releases. I'm very confident El Capitan would continue that history. A lot of other apps do put stuff there though (when I wish they'd keep it in their own bundle). Even worse, a lot of other apps drop stuff into /usr/bin.

They can no longer drop stuff in /usr/bin as of El Capitan, though.

You can't even do it with root:

    [mason@IT-PC-MACPRO ~]$ sudo bash
    Password:
    [root@IT-PC-MACPRO ~]# touch /usr/bin/nope
    touch: /usr/bin/nope: Operation not permitted
    [root@IT-PC-MACPRO ~]# cat 'nope nope' >> /usr/bin/nope
    bash: /usr/bin/nope: Operation not permitted

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by eridius »

itistoday2 wrote: post #123
eridius wrote: post #58

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It ships on the system. Everything that ships on the system should be protected. Among other things, it prevents system updates from having problems when the apps they're trying to patch are missing.

> Everything that ships on the system should be protected. No. Not Game Center.app. Grand parent is right, this is bloatware that neither he, nor I, nor many others want. If I wanted a bloatware Windows box I would have bought one. There's no excuse for making this app non-removable.

How incredibly arrogant of you to declare this about a tiny <3MB app just because you personally don't use it. Your personal preferences are not the arbiter of what is and is not useful, and this app provides the sole interface to a system component (GameKit) so it is entirely appropriate to ship on the system. And declaring this minuscule app "bloatware" is so laughable as to be almost insulting, because it's clear that you're just struggling to find a reason to compare OS X to Windows.

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by eridius »

itistoday2 wrote: post #136
kitsunesoba wrote: post #132

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It’s all a matter of opinion, but I’m not sure that “bloatware” is the appropriate term for bundled software that never runs unless it’s explicitly opened by the user, thus having negligible resource usage. Does that extra 4MB really bother you that much? Because that’s the only effect you’ll ever feel as a result of not deleting Game Center. On the other hand, if we’re talking about the junk that your average Window…

> Does that extra 4MB really bother you that much? No, it doesn't, but what does bother me are the gigabyte+ apps that, like Game Center, Apple does not allow users to remove (without jumping through hoops that are probably both scary and technically challenging for most users). Are you an Apple fan? Because I am (or was). I've been with Apple since the OS 7 days. This lack of attention to detail is very uncharacteri…

What GB+ apps ship on the system that you think are appropriate to delete?

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by darek »

filsmick wrote: post #18
trevorhartman wrote: post #16

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One solution that I've adopted: never use Finder.

What do you use instead? You navigate exclusively from your terminal?

On Windows I've been using Total Commander for 15 years or more. There's nothing like it on Mac, and I've tried them all. But there's this new app, Files (http://filesmanager.info/), which is being actively developed and gaining features fast. I've been using it for some time now I'm liking it more and more. The developer behind it is very responsive and skilled and it seems to be going in a great direction. There's hope for OS X! :)

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by rndn »

coldtea wrote: post #112
spacehome wrote: post #102

I don't know how anybody can look at the bugs and fixes that continually plague .0 versions of Apple's OS software across their devices and jump at the chance to try it out. It now feels like you need to wait a minimum of 3 months before even considering installing a .0 (or .1 or .2) version of their software. It's a shame, too. I'm old enough to remember when Apple's OS was mostly rock-solid.

> I don't know how anybody can look at the bugs and fixes that continually plague .0 versions of Apple's OS software across their devices and jump at the chance to try it out. Quite simply because I've never once been bitten by them -- with the exception of some haxies not working. > I'm old enough to remember when Apple's OS was mostly rock-solid. When was that? Because I remember Mac OS (pre X) beeing anything but…

Then lets steelman this point of critique: Why doesn't Apple keep their OSes in beta for a couple of months more to release something that is really stable? Is the sample size of beta testers really too small? I doubt 6 months or so later would be a big disadvantage to the competition, quite the contrary, I think releasing more stable 1.0s could be a considerable advantage.
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