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OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by on_ »

ceejayoz wrote: post #97
on_ wrote: post #90

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Yes. I am disabling/removing shitty bloatware and removing apple phone home gor privacy.

So you're compromising security to do it? Game Center is ~4MB, and you'll never remove all the potential "phone home" hooks without rewriting the OS. Your approach is akin to taking wheels off a car to reduce weight so it goes faster.

I was simply asking if this was a GM issue or something else. I needed access to my filesystem to make some changes and was providing a bit of feedback to others upgrading. I didn't think this was stack overflow. I had internet disabled and was loading applications from my USB, that I keep for these purposes and running config scripts. I only had mobile anyway so it was difficult to find answers. I still do not know if SIP can be turned back on, but if it can (which would be reasonable) I faced little risk on fresh install with internet disabled. If possible, I will turn it back on after my env is set up.

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by kitsunesoba »

itistoday2 wrote: post #123
eridius wrote: post #58

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It ships on the system. Everything that ships on the system should be protected. Among other things, it prevents system updates from having problems when the apps they're trying to patch are missing.

> Everything that ships on the system should be protected. No. Not Game Center.app. Grand parent is right, this is bloatware that neither he, nor I, nor many others want. If I wanted a bloatware Windows box I would have bought one. There's no excuse for making this app non-removable.

It’s all a matter of opinion, but I’m not sure that “bloatware” is the appropriate term for bundled software that never runs unless it’s explicitly opened by the user, thus having negligible resource usage. Does that extra 4MB really bother you that much? Because that’s the only effect you’ll ever feel as a result of not deleting Game Center.

On the other hand, if we’re talking about the junk that your average Windows or Android device comes preinstalled with that is either configured to run at startup and/or modifies the stock UI (TouchWiz for example), yeah, that’s definitely bloatware and it’s reprehensible to make that unremovable. That isn’t what Apple is doing, however.

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by on_ »

click170 wrote: post #101
on_ wrote: post #90

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Yes. I am disabling/removing shitty bloatware and removing apple phone home gor privacy.

I share your sentiment towards privacy, I guard mine fiercely as well. If I may say so though, I think you're coming at this the wrong way. Trying to disable every component in the OS that phones home simply doesn't scale, may I suggest you explore gateway firewall devices such as PFSense, or the free version of Sophos' UTM if you prefer a more polished UI? I use a Sophos UTM at home and I can see (and block) every r…

Thanks, this was a helpful response unlike the SOish answers which I found unneccesarily hostile. If you see my comment below I was fairly protected.

I will look into those suggestions. Do to the differences and additions in caputan little snitch does not work. I havent connected to internet yet whoch ice floor needs to be configured properly. Does SOPHOS UTM work well even as a free version. It is annoying when snitch lets traffic out after 3grs.

As sad as this will sound, I cant afford a VPN. I set one up myself using OpenDNS and tunnelblick, which I should probably spin back up. Any other security suggestions? I can only use free stuff ATM .

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by kngspook »

cpeterso wrote: post #109
Rafert wrote: post #27

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So, basically the same advice applies as with the upgrade to Yosemite: move /usr/local to somewhere like ~/local before upgrading, and move it back after. It's worth mentioning that after the upgrade you might run into permissions problems: https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew/blob/master/share/doc/h... You might want to run `brew update` before updating, so `brew doctor` can help you troubleshoot issues afterwards.

Does OS X place any of its own files in /usr/local?

I can't speak to El Capitan, but no Apple software has dropped anything in /usr/local that I've found in the last 3+ releases. I'm very confident El Capitan would continue that history.

A lot of other apps do put stuff there though (when I wish they'd keep it in their own bundle).

Even worse, a lot of other apps drop stuff into /usr/bin.

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by itistoday2 »

kitsunesoba wrote: post #132
itistoday2 wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Everything that ships on the system should be protected. No. Not Game Center.app. Grand parent is right, this is bloatware that neither he, nor I, nor many others want. If I wanted a bloatware Windows box I would have bought one. There's no excuse for making this app non-removable.

It’s all a matter of opinion, but I’m not sure that “bloatware” is the appropriate term for bundled software that never runs unless it’s explicitly opened by the user, thus having negligible resource usage. Does that extra 4MB really bother you that much? Because that’s the only effect you’ll ever feel as a result of not deleting Game Center. On the other hand, if we’re talking about the junk that your average Window…

> Does that extra 4MB really bother you that much?

No, it doesn't, but what does bother me are the gigabyte+ apps that, like Game Center, Apple does not allow users to remove (without jumping through hoops that are probably both scary and technically challenging for most users).

Are you an Apple fan? Because I am (or was). I've been with Apple since the OS 7 days.

This lack of attention to detail is very uncharacteristic of the Apple I knew and loved.

The comparison to "what others are doing" is also very un-Apple like. Apple did not use others as a benchmark to decide what it should be doing, and the day it starts to do that is the day it's no longer Apple.

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by daughart »

brianstorms wrote: post #116
astrange wrote: post #56

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Why do you want to delete Game Center?

Game Center is a nasty piece of work by Apple. It's ruined iOS 9 and I regret installing that on my iPad and iPhone 6. Now, when I enter a very simple solitaire-like game called Midnight Mahjongg, I get slow-animating, built-in-delayed GC upsells and requests to log in to GC, even though I hate and detest and loathe GC. And if I so much as accidentally go to Home screen and back into game, presto, GC upsell appears a…

Why not just sign into Game Center? It's a serious question. Once you enable Game Center it stops bothering you and as far as I can tell doesn't really do anything other than add you to leaderboards.

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by on_ »

itistoday2 wrote: post #123
eridius wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It ships on the system. Everything that ships on the system should be protected. Among other things, it prevents system updates from having problems when the apps they're trying to patch are missing.

> Everything that ships on the system should be protected. No. Not Game Center.app. Grand parent is right, this is bloatware that neither he, nor I, nor many others want. If I wanted a bloatware Windows box I would have bought one. There's no excuse for making this app non-removable.

Thank you. Many people have been quite rude about this, and frankly, I expected better. 1) woz fought jobs on user mods on the apple 2, and released a post a while back about switching bck to linux.

I used game center as an example. Of coure the launchctl list uses an insane amount of resources for apple stuff. I also deleted several other apps and a few other things. Shit, running monolingual alone saved me ~1.2GB.

So thanks. I agree as well. If possible I will turn it back on after.

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by on_ »

itistoday2 wrote: post #136
kitsunesoba wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s all a matter of opinion, but I’m not sure that “bloatware” is the appropriate term for bundled software that never runs unless it’s explicitly opened by the user, thus having negligible resource usage. Does that extra 4MB really bother you that much? Because that’s the only effect you’ll ever feel as a result of not deleting Game Center. On the other hand, if we’re talking about the junk that your average Window…

> Does that extra 4MB really bother you that much? No, it doesn't, but what does bother me are the gigabyte+ apps that, like Game Center, Apple does not allow users to remove (without jumping through hoops that are probably both scary and technically challenging for most users). Are you an Apple fan? Because I am (or was). I've been with Apple since the OS 7 days. This lack of attention to detail is very uncharacteri…

This. I used game center as an example. Just removing unused languages saved me over a GB. I also stopped a bunch of annoying background stuff from using the cpu, which is nice, because I need it to do shit like compute for me.

While the attention to detail is lacking, it is becoming even more walled off. I reapect that because the market wants all there stuff synced all the time. Howecer, i don't. I dont need my search results sent to apple so i can get recommendations, i font want every message i text to be an imessage so it goes through there servers as well as att. I am disappoinr.

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by visionscaper »

bdcravens wrote: post #21

If time is an issue, consider doing a wipe and fresh install then upgrade instead of upgrade in place. Apparently if you have Homebrew it gets stuck at 2 minutes, potentially for several hours.

Another Homebrew user here, El Capitan installed without major issues and is running very smoothly IMHO. A difference might be that I haven't touched Homebrew in a while.
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