OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store • Hacker News Board

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by joesmo » Wed, Sep 30, 2015, 10:20 PM UTC

on_ wrote: post #30

Just upgraded. Can't delete apps. Anyone figured this out yet? Admin accound sudo rm -rf "game center.app" is returning operation not permitted. Appcleaner is not even able to find the packkages much less delete them. I have the GM though. What is this about? Edit: upgrading to the appstore version. Not sure if this was GM specific, or they are locking the Os down even more. Edit2: if you forget your password immeadi…

"Edit n: seperate and unrelated, system does not seem to restart well. Eiter hangs or takes ages."

This is nothing new for OS X. Mavericks and the last couple of versions cannot restart / shut down properly. I'm sure Apple would say it's a feature not a bug.

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by Domenic_S » Wed, Sep 30, 2015, 10:24 PM UTC

mhurron wrote: post #88

Domenic_S wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

mv malware.app game\ center.app what happens when you assume apps that came with the OS are legit?

> mv malware.app game\ center.app You can't do that unless you turned it off in the first place. And if you did, you're on your own anyway.

you missed the point.. GP was sarcastically wondering why game center was protected.

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by itistoday2 » Wed, Sep 30, 2015, 10:28 PM UTC

eridius wrote: post #58

teej wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm glad game center.app is so well protected.

It ships on the system. Everything that ships on the system should be protected. Among other things, it prevents system updates from having problems when the apps they're trying to patch are missing.

> Everything that ships on the system should be protected.

No. Not Game Center.app. Grand parent is right, this is bloatware that neither he, nor I, nor many others want. If I wanted a bloatware Windows box I would have bought one. There's no excuse for making this app non-removable.

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by flyrain » Wed, Sep 30, 2015, 10:29 PM UTC

Anybody know how to enable Photos extension in El Capitan?

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by teej » Wed, Sep 30, 2015, 10:30 PM UTC

eridius wrote: post #58

teej wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm glad game center.app is so well protected.

It ships on the system. Everything that ships on the system should be protected. Among other things, it prevents system updates from having problems when the apps they're trying to patch are missing.

I take issue with bundling unimportant apps with system apps and libraries. I recognize this is a blurred line but I still think that Game Center is not important.

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by bashinator » Wed, Sep 30, 2015, 10:31 PM UTC

masklinn wrote: post #52

duaneb wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Modifying /usr isn't THAT unusual.

The FHS defines /usr thus[0]: > /usr is shareable, read-only data. That means that /usr should be shareable between various FHS-compliant hosts and must not be written to. Pretty much all modern unices consider that /usr, aside from /usr/local (which the FHS defines as "for use by the system administrator when installing software locally. It needs to be safe from being overwritten when the system software is updated.…

The FHS is, at best, only tangentially related to anything going on in a Mac OS X system.

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by ionforce » Wed, Sep 30, 2015, 10:32 PM UTC

astrange wrote: post #56

on_ wrote: post #30

Just upgraded. Can't delete apps. Anyone figured this out yet? Admin accound sudo rm -rf "game center.app" is returning operation not permitted. Appcleaner is not even able to find the packkages much less delete them. I have the GM though. What is this about? Edit: upgrading to the appstore version. Not sure if this was GM specific, or they are locking the Os down even more. Edit2: if you forget your password immeadi…

Why do you want to delete Game Center?

Because they're about principle and can't stand losing that few megabytes of space on an app they'll never run anyway.

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by atrilumen » Wed, Sep 30, 2015, 10:56 PM UTC

filsmick wrote: post #18

trevorhartman wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One solution that I've adopted: never use Finder.

What do you use instead? You navigate exclusively from your terminal?

For source code repos, yeah. Otherwise, add .DS_Store to your .gitignore.

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by makecheck » Wed, Sep 30, 2015, 10:59 PM UTC

pkaye wrote: post #34

I'm eager to upgrade so is this a fairly safe upgrade or are there kinks that need to be worked out?

So far it seems OK. My /usr/local was preserved and restored automatically (mine was about 250 MB and the whole OS installation took about half an hour).

The split-screen view hasn't been fully-thought-through though. I would say almost everything I tried didn't do what I would have expected. There is a way for a window to end up on a space where the menu bar no longer has menus. There's even a mode where almost everything stops working: if the system decides only one of your windows supports splitting, it'll just sit there (even gestures won't work to reenter Mission Control) and you have to click to get out of it.

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by makecheck » Wed, Sep 30, 2015, 11:04 PM UTC

alphast0rm wrote: post #119

That's two OS X upgrades in a row (Yosemite, and now El Capitan) that the upgrade has moved the contents of my home directory /home/users/alphastorm/ into /home-preserved/. Luckily moving/copying everything back seems to fix almost everything. Anyone else had this happen to them or know why it happens?

Do you really mean /home or /Users? Only /Users is standard to OS X. I would put your home directory there.

They may create /home if it's required to exist for compatibility with other Unix standards. And since an OS upgrade probably has a checklist of things that must succeed (such as the ability to "create" /home), they feel forced to preserve whatever might have been there already before "creating" it again.

On my machine, /home exists but it is completely empty.