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Some companies in Sweden are testing a six-hour work day

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Re: Some companies in Sweden are testing a six-hour work day

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Can't wait till this happens in North America. I hope we realize shorter work days and basic income in the next couple of decades. Then we will truly have a golden age.

A golden age of after-work creative and productive output? If you don't have the passion to create something meaningful with X amount of free-time, what will X+1 do for you?

If your current X=1, then you could probably do double with X+1.

Re: Some companies in Sweden are testing a six-hour work day

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post #6

This hasn't been in the news in Sweden a lot, there is nothing "official" going on and I doubt that a fraction of a percent of those with a 40h week today will have anything else in a year or two. The headline (both in the source and here) should read "a couple of companies and public employers in Sweden are testing a 6-hour work day". Nothing to see here.

Thanks—we'll use your title suggestion. (All: it's super helpful when you suggest better, i.e. more accurate and neutral, titles.)

We also changed the url from http://www.sciencealert.com/sweden-is-shifting-to-a-6-hour-w..., which points to this.

Re: Some companies in Sweden are testing a six-hour work day

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Can't wait till this happens in North America. I hope we realize shorter work days and basic income in the next couple of decades. Then we will truly have a golden age.

I think the US should focus on more paid vacations days for starters.

Re: Some companies in Sweden are testing a six-hour work day

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post #7

As a swede I think the title is highly misleading. Sweden is not shifting to a 6-hour workday. Sure there are a few experiments but the baseline is that sweden (which has a huge public sector) cannot afford it without raising taxes further. The current forecasts for the future indicates that taxes has to be raised a lot just to maintain the current standard. I would be very surprised if the 6 hour workday would be pr…

You're assuming a 1:1 ratio between time and productivity, which is just not the case for a lot of jobs. In a customer-facing job well yeah, you need people to operate the business as long as the doors are open. But many offices could run from 10am-5pm or 8am-3pm without seriously impacting productivity.

Re: Some companies in Sweden are testing a six-hour work day

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It is not mentioned in the article but a many places has also opted to implemented a 2 team shift. This mean that instead of having production during 8 hrs each day and seeing significant drop in production during the later hours, they instead got 12 hr of very effective workers. One hospital that did this has reported significant increase in number of surgeries, decrease in mistakes, few'er sick days, lower turnover rate, and easier time to recruit. The doubling in employees are paid not by taxes but instead with higher efficiency, and as such we might not need to build new hospitals in a while if this was implemented as a national policy.

Re: Some companies in Sweden are testing a six-hour work day

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post #8

Can't wait till this happens in North America. I hope we realize shorter work days and basic income in the next couple of decades. Then we will truly have a golden age.

I fully expect the US to be the very last to switch.

I don't think the US will ever switch at the federal (or even state) level. Any changes would be driven from the industry and individual company level.

Re: Some companies in Sweden are testing a six-hour work day

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Can't wait till this happens in North America. I hope we realize shorter work days and basic income in the next couple of decades. Then we will truly have a golden age.

Where will we get the money for that? We're already trillions of dollars short on future obligations.

Re: Some companies in Sweden are testing a six-hour work day

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post #13

Can't wait till this happens in North America. I hope we realize shorter work days and basic income in the next couple of decades. Then we will truly have a golden age.

I think the US should focus on more paid vacations days for starters.

or time off in general. Just a small sample of the cruelty inflicted on people by many companies:

- Significant other or child dies -- too bad, so sad, go without pay.

- Having a kid? Hope you enjoy not being paid while you have that extra medical expenses, or being marginalized. Worst case? You get fired.

- Sick? Sucks to be you.

(More of an aside, but I never personally understood the reason why the economy doesn't better support having children. An every-increasing supply of future consumers is what drives a lot of economic expansion in this country.)

Re: Some companies in Sweden are testing a six-hour work day

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post #7

As a swede I think the title is highly misleading. Sweden is not shifting to a 6-hour workday. Sure there are a few experiments but the baseline is that sweden (which has a huge public sector) cannot afford it without raising taxes further. The current forecasts for the future indicates that taxes has to be raised a lot just to maintain the current standard. I would be very surprised if the 6 hour workday would be pr…

You're assuming a 1:1 ratio between time and productivity, which is just not the case for a lot of jobs. In a customer-facing job well yeah, you need people to operate the business as long as the doors are open. But many offices could run from 10am-5pm or 8am-3pm without seriously impacting productivity.

I'm not against the idea. Was just pointing out that Sweden in general is not moving towards this.

Not a single political party is actively driving the 35 hour line which was in the talks a decade ago.

Re: Some companies in Sweden are testing a six-hour work day

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post #8

Can't wait till this happens in North America. I hope we realize shorter work days and basic income in the next couple of decades. Then we will truly have a golden age.

I fully expect the US to be the very last to switch.

I'm thinking the lag time will be around the same as the metric system, so anywhere from 55 years to forever.
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