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OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by coldtea »

emsy wrote: post #44
bdcravens wrote: post #21

If time is an issue, consider doing a wipe and fresh install then upgrade instead of upgrade in place. Apparently if you have Homebrew it gets stuck at 2 minutes, potentially for several hours.

Coming from Yosemite, you should clean you Mac with petrol. But seriously, Yosemite was such a mess, it felt like an old Windows installation where formatting is the only way to regain a decent performance. I'm glad I made a clean install with the GM 2 weeks ago. The system is way better than Yosemite (but still far from being as stable as Mountain Lion)

Sounds like cargo cult.

Whatever problems Yosemite had, they weren't caused because of "file accretion", nor would they remain after the OS is updated (as if it somehow reads old problematic files and goes back to its old buggy ways).

(That said, I had zero problems as a heavy dev+audio/video user of Yosemite, and zero too after updating to El Capitan GM -- with the exception of Cubase and NI audio units not working in Logic).

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by coldtea »

spacehome wrote: post #102

I don't know how anybody can look at the bugs and fixes that continually plague .0 versions of Apple's OS software across their devices and jump at the chance to try it out. It now feels like you need to wait a minimum of 3 months before even considering installing a .0 (or .1 or .2) version of their software. It's a shame, too. I'm old enough to remember when Apple's OS was mostly rock-solid.

>I don't know how anybody can look at the bugs and fixes that continually plague .0 versions of Apple's OS software across their devices and jump at the chance to try it out.

Quite simply because I've never once been bitten by them -- with the exception of some haxies not working.

>I'm old enough to remember when Apple's OS was mostly rock-solid.

When was that? Because I remember Mac OS (pre X) beeing anything but rock-solid. I also remember the first X release being a disaster, and people moaning about issues I've never encountered in my (heavy) Mac use for every new release.

(I also remember the hardware problems, from the overheating cube and the G3 logic boards that died by the ton to the G5 tower leaking cooling goo).

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by bbulkow »

thejerz wrote: post #92
emsy wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Coming from Yosemite, you should clean you Mac with petrol. But seriously, Yosemite was such a mess, it felt like an old Windows installation where formatting is the only way to regain a decent performance. I'm glad I made a clean install with the GM 2 weeks ago. The system is way better than Yosemite (but still far from being as stable as Mountain Lion)

Where do I download the petrol app?

arco.com , exxon.com , shell.com , chevron.com will give you local downloading locations.

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by DavidAdams »

spacehome wrote: post #106
sandyarmstrong wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm old enough to remember when Apple's OS was mostly rock-solid. What OS are you talking about? OS X has always had buggy .0 releases. If anything it's gotten better over time, though I still agree with waiting for a .1 or .2. If you mean Mac OS or earlier, then I wouldn't know. I was young and we always just kept whatever came on the computer.

10.4 was pretty good. My point about the .1 and .2 releases were that they're buggy, too. I look into my crystal ball and predict that 10.11.1 and 10.11.2 will both have serious issues (though not as much as 10.11.0. You really have to wait for the waves of bugfix releases after a point release to end before it's safe for human consumption.

7.6.1 was pretty good. And get off my lawn!

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by nnutter »

cpeterso wrote: post #109
Rafert wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, basically the same advice applies as with the upgrade to Yosemite: move /usr/local to somewhere like ~/local before upgrading, and move it back after. It's worth mentioning that after the upgrade you might run into permissions problems: https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew/blob/master/share/doc/h... You might want to run `brew update` before updating, so `brew doctor` can help you troubleshoot issues afterwards.

Does OS X place any of its own files in /usr/local?

I can't verify but that would be awful it did as `/usr/local` is meant to be exactly not that.

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by brianstorms »

astrange wrote: post #56
on_ wrote: post #30

Just upgraded. Can't delete apps. Anyone figured this out yet? Admin accound sudo rm -rf "game center.app" is returning operation not permitted. Appcleaner is not even able to find the packkages much less delete them. I have the GM though. What is this about? Edit: upgrading to the appstore version. Not sure if this was GM specific, or they are locking the Os down even more. Edit2: if you forget your password immeadi…

Why do you want to delete Game Center?

Game Center is a nasty piece of work by Apple. It's ruined iOS 9 and I regret installing that on my iPad and iPhone 6. Now, when I enter a very simple solitaire-like game called Midnight Mahjongg, I get slow-animating, built-in-delayed GC upsells and requests to log in to GC, even though I hate and detest and loathe GC. And if I so much as accidentally go to Home screen and back into game, presto, GC upsell appears again. On iPad it appears for 5 times -- you have to cancel 5 times and then it gets quiet. Until the next day. On iPhone, 3 cancels is enough to shut it up. Until the next day.

Use the game the next day and the counters are reset: 5 more cancels on iPad, 3 cancels on iPhone.

GC is the worst thing Apple's done in years. And if they have brought that crap and its fascist ways to MacOSX, then I really am hesitant to install any more MacOSX updates.

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by bbulkow »

Laaw wrote: post #89
bdcravens wrote: post #21

If time is an issue, consider doing a wipe and fresh install then upgrade instead of upgrade in place. Apparently if you have Homebrew it gets stuck at 2 minutes, potentially for several hours.

User with Homebrew here! No problems upgrading this time (took ~15 minutes), had ~2hr upgrade last time.

Mine was under a minute, but I'm not a big brew user --- just have a few key packages. Also, I'm on a Transcend SSD.

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by coldtea »

spacehome wrote: post #106
sandyarmstrong wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm old enough to remember when Apple's OS was mostly rock-solid. What OS are you talking about? OS X has always had buggy .0 releases. If anything it's gotten better over time, though I still agree with waiting for a .1 or .2. If you mean Mac OS or earlier, then I wouldn't know. I was young and we always just kept whatever came on the computer.

10.4 was pretty good. My point about the .1 and .2 releases were that they're buggy, too. I look into my crystal ball and predict that 10.11.1 and 10.11.2 will both have serious issues (though not as much as 10.11.0. You really have to wait for the waves of bugfix releases after a point release to end before it's safe for human consumption.

Here is a list of bugs and workarounds for 10.4 (Tiger) from Cnet:

Spotlight: Invisible files limitation; Processor usage and performance problems

DHCP Problems: AirPort networking dropouts, D-Link router problems, more

AirPort: No auto-reconnect after sleep; Connections dropping when switching from one base station to another Freezes during shutdown or startup, fixes

Widgets: Possible security exploit; Excessive memory usage; more

Check for bad login/startup items

CD/DVD burning problems: Errors, blank discs not recognized, more

Classic: Problems starting, more

Printer problems: Deleting, then re-adding

Font issues: "Fuzzy" type, more

SCSI Issues: Fix for Adaptec cards; Drives causing startup/shut down problems, more

Problems caused by QuickTime codecs

"Beeping" or "Chirping" noise back for some G5s

Bonjour issue and fix

Removable media devices not mounting, fixes

SMB connection problems, solutions

Wake-from-sleep issues

Speakable Items fails; workaround

Keychain import issue and fix

Safari 2.0: Problematic plug-ins, more

iPhoto 5.0.x: Unwanted image changes; Freezes on launch, fix

iSync 2.0: Deleted data; Problems synchronizing phones, iPods

Mail.app 2.0: Plug-in problems, removing bad bundles; Import problems; more

iChat AV 3.0: Performance issues

iTunes: Play does not continue during fast user switching, more

(...)

http://www.cnet.com/news/special-report-troubleshooting-mac-...

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by alphast0rm »

That's two OS X upgrades in a row (Yosemite, and now El Capitan) that the upgrade has moved the contents of my home directory /home/users/alphastorm/ into /home-preserved/. Luckily moving/copying everything back seems to fix almost everything.

Anyone else had this happen to them or know why it happens?

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by trymas »

Rafert wrote: post #27
bdcravens wrote: post #21

If time is an issue, consider doing a wipe and fresh install then upgrade instead of upgrade in place. Apparently if you have Homebrew it gets stuck at 2 minutes, potentially for several hours.

So, basically the same advice applies as with the upgrade to Yosemite: move /usr/local to somewhere like ~/local before upgrading, and move it back after. It's worth mentioning that after the upgrade you might run into permissions problems: https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew/blob/master/share/doc/h... You might want to run `brew update` before updating, so `brew doctor` can help you troubleshoot issues afterwards.

hm, no worries at least on my machine.

I knew about /usr/local problem from Yosemite, though on El Capitan (same time as Yosemite, with /usr/local moved to ~/local) it was smooth as butter (I did not move /usr/local). All upgrade took about 30 minutes, and after it was done, I did sudo chown -R $(whoami):admin /usr/local and I was good to go.

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