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Re: Meet Model X

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Post by jannotti » Wed, Sep 30, 2015, 3:04 PM UTC

josefresco wrote: post #64

bluedino wrote: post #25

>> 5,000lb towing capacity Curious as to what happens to the range when you're towing a pair of jetskis.

Fun fact: The MPG of my full size truck decreases by almost 50% when towing. So if the Tesla gets better than 50% of it's range while towing, I'll be impressed.

It might, since I think moving heavy objects is pure drag on a ICE vehicle, but if you have regenerative braking, you get some of the extra effort you put in, back out.

That's an advantage many subways have by using electrical power.

Re: Meet Model X

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Post by tajen » Wed, Sep 30, 2015, 3:05 PM UTC

cpr wrote: post #154

Great, bioweapon defense mode so the Masters of the Universe can all hop in their cars and safely leave a big city under bioweapons attack, while the rest of us lie gasping on the sidewalk...

Or leave the Teheran ambassy in 1975 even under tear gas.

Re: Meet Model X

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Post by jannotti » Wed, Sep 30, 2015, 3:06 PM UTC

cloudwalking wrote: post #162

thecrumb wrote: post #21

If it's an "SUV" where do I strap my kayak and bike? Mercedes did it better in 1955.

There are roof racks available which cover only one falcon door. Alternatively you could just put the kayak inside the car.

Inside? I watched the presentation, and it didn't seem like the seats folded forward. Do they?

Now that I think about it, I haven't even seen the back open. Why can't I find pictures from the back, with the gate open?

Re: Meet Model X

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Post by eclipxe » Wed, Sep 30, 2015, 3:07 PM UTC

doczoidberg wrote: post #168

Can anyone explain me why Tesla as a silicon valley company is lagging behind in autonomus driving? BMW, Daimler and many more have already working things in much cheaper cars. Edit: can't understand the down voting. Criticizing Tesla isn't endorsed here?

Explain how they're lagging? They have v7 of the software in beta testers hands and the auto pilot features are a step above all other manufacturers.

Re: Meet Model X

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Post by kemiller » Wed, Sep 30, 2015, 3:07 PM UTC

I look at all the little motors in those doors, and other robotic gadgets, and just see reliability issues. Their 8-year warranty on the drivetrain is great, but you are still stuck if the rest of the car doesn't work. I guess it's a fact of life now that cars, especially high-end cars, are not really built for more than two lease-lengths now. So how much embodied energy does that represent? Has anyone seen a full-lifecycle analysis of Tesla cars? Probably no worse than other luxury cars, but still.

Re: Meet Model X

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Post by threeseed » Wed, Sep 30, 2015, 3:08 PM UTC

jonknee wrote: post #131

threeseed wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is pretty amazing pricing. Most premium families would be looking to the Land Rover Evoque ($41K), BMW X5 ($54K) etc But Tesla is pricing it not to compete with the baseline Porsche Cayenne ($58K) but around the Cayenne Turbo S level ($157K). I guess they aren't planning on building a lot of them.

The Land Rover Evoque, BMW X5 and Porsche Cayenne are all 5 person SUVs that aren't in the same class as the Model X (7 person).

I assure you that not every Model X owner will have 5 children.

Also (a) the Model X will ship as standard with 6 seats and (b) the X5 has a 7 seat option.

Re: Meet Model X

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Post by Taek » Wed, Sep 30, 2015, 3:09 PM UTC

cpr wrote: post #154

Great, bioweapon defense mode so the Masters of the Universe can all hop in their cars and safely leave a big city under bioweapons attack, while the rest of us lie gasping on the sidewalk...

Bioweapon defense mode in luxury vehicles is the first step towards bioweapon defense mode in commodity vehicles.

Also, it's really for polluted cities, skunks, and driving past freshly fertilized farms. I don't think anyone expects to active bwdm for an actual bioweapon threat.

Re: Meet Model X

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Post by doczoidberg » Wed, Sep 30, 2015, 3:09 PM UTC

Roughly estimated carbon production of manufacturing (I got these numbers from a german discussion, one source for battery carbon production is: http://www.focus.de/auto/experten/duennes/oekobilanz-von-ele... ):

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VW Polo GTI: 2 tons

BMW M5: 2,5 tons

BMW I3: 4 tons

Tesla Modell X 13 tons

Manufacturing + 100.000km:

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BMW I3 -> 9,6 tons

VW Polo GTI -> 18,6 tons

Tesla Modell X -> 25,3 tons

BMW M5 -> 26,3 tons

Tesla isn't as green as many think. Building heavy cars isn't the solution.

Also the new infrastructure for superchargers does raise carbon production.

Re: Meet Model X

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Post by doczoidberg » Wed, Sep 30, 2015, 3:11 PM UTC

eclipxe wrote: post #174

doczoidberg wrote: post #168

Can anyone explain me why Tesla as a silicon valley company is lagging behind in autonomus driving? BMW, Daimler and many more have already working things in much cheaper cars. Edit: can't understand the down voting. Criticizing Tesla isn't endorsed here?

Explain how they're lagging? They have v7 of the software in beta testers hands and the auto pilot features are a step above all other manufacturers.

As i mentioned there are many car makers which have these things since years. And they are much cheaper. Just look at the websites what you can buy from BMW, Daimler etc.

Re: Meet Model X

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Post by bengoodger » Wed, Sep 30, 2015, 3:13 PM UTC

nmrm2 wrote: post #135

threeseed wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can tell from the photos you won't be taking this off road. It's more akin to a people mover with the 7 seat option and the ground clearance being limited. If you look at the most popular SUVs i.e. BMW X3/5, Mercedes M, Land Rover they have a lineage in proper 4WDs. But let's be honest almost nobody who drives an SUV actually takes it off road.

Right. SUVs in this category are going after the need-a-van-but-want-a-sportcar market.

The irony is that a van will often handle better than a SUV with a car based platform and a lower center of gravity.

My wife has a BMW X5 and it drives like a piece of industrial farm equipment. We also own a Honda Odyssey which IMO handles significantly better - it's basically an Accord with a taller roof.