Live data from Hacker News

Boredom is not a problem to be solved, it's the privilege of a free mind

theguardian.com

21–30 of 97 posts

Re: Boredom is not a problem to be solved, it's the privilege of a free mind

#21
Each day at work I put in headphones, code for a bit, read HN for a bit, then back to code. I don't know if I could describe it as boredom, maybe confused context switching.

It brings to mind how the protagonist of Neuromancer gets hooked on amphetamines after being surgically banned from the Internet. We get so used to everything happening quickly and efficiently that our brains don't have time to rest. If you're not doing something, then what's wrong with you, the modern world seems to say.

We were led to believe technology would eventually alleviate us of our ills. Instead I feel...tired.

Re: Boredom is not a problem to be solved, it's the privilege of a free mind

#22

From the byline. "Gayatri Devi is associate professor of English at Lock Haven University of Pennsylvania". Okaaay.

I would expect a 'User from Hacker News on the Internet' to care less about silly titles and more about substance and merits of words.

Re: Boredom is not a problem to be solved, it's the privilege of a free mind

#23
so if it is the last privilege of a free mind this means what - that the other privilegs have been taken from the free mind, boredom is the last privilege that remains to a free mind. hmm. I think word choice was not adequately considered here.

Re: Boredom is not a problem to be solved, it's the privilege of a free mind

#24

One thing that interrupts my moments of boredom is the thought of falling behind while the world makes progress. That is precisely the same feeling you get when you move to a quieter town: "nothing goes on here while 'everything is going on' somewhere else". This feeling of 'nothing doing' pushes me to do stuff, be it a hobby, reading, etc. I think the idea is pretty much associated to the 'time is money' or the 'tim…

The problem with that seems to be that if you're always trying to catch up with some overarching scheme of advancement and progress, you won't have a moment of peace until you retire...

An old Chinese hobo named Han-shan used to write strange poems on the cliffs and trees of the mountain where he lived. They're called the cold mountain poems. One of them goes like this:

Han-shan has his critics too:

‘Your poems, there’s nothing in them!’

I think of men of ancient times,

Poor, humble, but not ashamed.

Let him laugh at me and say:

‘It’s all foolishness, your work!’

Let him go on as he is,

All his life lost making money.

Re: Boredom is not a problem to be solved, it's the privilege of a free mind

#25

For me boredom is the manifestation of a problem. I am introvert and could think on my own for days, but boredom never happens. Animals in the wild rarely get bored. I worked as an assistant in a zoo while teenager and you could see every single animal getting bored there. And today it is much better than in the past, because we are stating to understand them and we make them work for getting their food and so on. Af…

This. I don't regret the time I spend just thinking. I do however regret the time lost to boredom. They're not the same thing. Boredom to me is a state of wanting to do something but either not being able to or not knowing what that something is.

Re: Boredom is not a problem to be solved, it's the privilege of a free mind

#26

From the byline. "Gayatri Devi is associate professor of English at Lock Haven University of Pennsylvania". Okaaay.

I would expect a 'User from Hacker News on the Internet' to care less about silly titles and more about substance and merits of words.

I only looked at her background because was I so underwhelmed by the lack of substance. Is boredom harmful or good? It's an interesting question yes, but one which can be addressed by actual scientific studies.

Re: Boredom is not a problem to be solved, it's the privilege of a free mind

#27

It kind of reminds me of my philosophy regarding programming - that it can never be boring. If it's boring, then something is done wrong. You can always automate the boring parts, and thinking about automation is less boring.

I love playing with and working on projects that transform code into different code and I love that you're drawn to meta-programming, but I have a few issues with a few of the ideas:

> If it's boring, then something is done wrong.

I have a problem with the tone of this statement, because I've seen it taken to an extreme and it can be a dangerous idea.

A better way of looking at it is: If something is boring, take it as a sign there might be an opportunity to improve the process, but you have to be acutely aware the problems that automation can introduce.

There's a phenomenon I like to call premature automation. When you work on a problem the boring way long enough, your brain learns the patterns. Premature automation happens when you skip learning about or experiencing the process and you shoot straight to automation. Often what happens is the automation fails to anticipate important edge cases.

> You can always automate the boring parts, and thinking about automation is less boring.

Thinking about automation is less boring because it's not trivial. Automation can be trivial if you're doing simple things like code generation, but often these simple things come at a cost. For example, code generation typically becomes more complex as the need for customizations and exceptions popup.

Libraries can automate things at runtime, but writing good libraries based on timeless/minimally leaky ideas takes time. Leaky libraries built on a poor foundation tends to introduce bugs or complexity. There is value in boring, predictable code with minimal dependencies. It's easier to audit and review with static analysis tools, it's harder to introduce cascading bugs and it.

TLDR: I'm all for automation, but saying "If it's boring, something is done wrong" and "you can always automate the boring parts" sounds like a cocktail of developer shaming for not doing something that's "simple".

Re: Boredom is not a problem to be solved, it's the privilege of a free mind

#29
post #28

I cannot remember the last time I was bored. I had an elementary school teacher that told me that "boredom was the sign of a weak mind." I believed her and took it to heart.

Someone told you being bored was bad, so you were never bored?! How does that work?

Re: Boredom is not a problem to be solved, it's the privilege of a free mind

#30
post #25

For me boredom is the manifestation of a problem. I am introvert and could think on my own for days, but boredom never happens. Animals in the wild rarely get bored. I worked as an assistant in a zoo while teenager and you could see every single animal getting bored there. And today it is much better than in the past, because we are stating to understand them and we make them work for getting their food and so on. Af…

This. I don't regret the time I spend just thinking. I do however regret the time lost to boredom. They're not the same thing. Boredom to me is a state of wanting to do something but either not being able to or not knowing what that something is.

Exactly, it's an uncomfortable mental state or cognitive rut that is pretty tough to just ditch by doing things that normally keep you entertained.
Post reply on HN