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Re: Google Nexus 5x and 6P

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Post by qdog »

dpark wrote: post #257
rsync wrote: post #217

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Exactly. In 2015, even the small phones are huge. I cannot believe there is not a (huge) market for small, portable phones that you could put in your pocket without altering the way you sit.

Maybe stop sitting on your phone? I've got a nexus 6 in my front pocket and it doesn't affect the way I sit. There isn't a huge market for small portable phones because most people shelling out $500+ for a smart phone want to actually use it as a smart phone. They play games, watch shows and movies, read full novels, and browse the web. These are all experiences that are enhanced by having a larger screen. My wife up…

Maybe we are all fatties that can't fit a big phone in our pocket.

Or, don't use the phone that much but like access to a decent browser and apps when we do need them.

I have a 4, but actually miss my ancient G2 with an actual keyboard. Damn you kids and your touch screens, you ruined everything!

Re: Google Nexus 5x and 6P

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Post by nitrogen »

branchan wrote: post #439
posnet wrote: post #346

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Many countries now take fingerprint scans when you cross the border. Even if they themselves never use it, its easily conceivable that they could be hacked or leaked. Then what? You can't revoke your fingerprint.

Bottomline is that in this day and age, if someone wants to hack a server and steal passwords, they can so it probably doesn't matter.

Not exactly, that's what bcrypt and scrypt are for. Attackers would have to modify the running code to divert raw passwords elsewhere, which would be a lot more noticeable.

Re: Google Nexus 5x and 6P

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Post by Tsagadai »

Unfortunately, Google Ireland (yes, that is who sells it) has priced the Nexus 6P at $899 AUD. That's a 25% mark up for absolutely no reason (Google isn't paying sales tax in Australia because they are selling from Ireland and charging under $1000 AUD). What a joke, why can't we just all pay the same price?

Re: Google Nexus 5x and 6P

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Post by branchan »

TechieKid wrote: post #456
branchan wrote: post #438

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The bottomline is that if someone can hack a server to steal your fingerprint, they can just as easily use the same method to steal your method so I don't really see the differen imho.

The bottomline is that someone doesn't need to hack a server to steal your fingerprint, you leave those everywhere you go as virtual gifts to any passers-by. All they need to do is steal your phone, and that's pick-pocketing level easy.

Ummm, if I lose my phone, I'm just going to remotely disable it so there's no way the person who stole my phone can reach my data.

Re: Google Nexus 5x and 6P

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Post by geofft »

will_hughes wrote: post #423
r-w wrote: post #421

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Where are those laws in place?

In the US in particular. There was a bunch of reporting in the past few days that a Federal District Court in Pennsylvania found that Fifth Amendment rights apply to smartphone passcodes. Random link: http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/why-the-government-cant-... That same protection doesn't seem to apply to fingerprints. Random link: http://time.com/3558936/fingerprint-password-fifth-amendment... Again, I'm not a l…

The other thing about the US is that occasionally you'll find a police department that's willing to bend the law. They can make you touch the fingerprint sensor and then claim that they never did and they found your phone unlocked, and it'll be your word against theirs. If the court believes the police, which they are culturally inclined to do, the Fifth Amendment question doesn't even come up.

One of the neat things about encryption, historically, is that the government couldn't force decryption even if it were willing to break the law in doing so. That's why there were export controls and demands for backdoors in the '90s, and that's why there are demands for backdoors today. Fingerprint locks may mathematically involve encryption, but they don't have this property.

Re: Google Nexus 5x and 6P

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Post by branchan »

branchan wrote: post #438
chrsstrm wrote: post #336

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My worry is that this is a gateway drug to "Fingerprint protect all the things!" My bank emailed me the other day with an announcement that I could access my account through their app via my fingerprint. WTF? My text messages are one thing by now my money is protected by just my fingerprint? I took my bank to task because they allowed my username to be twice as long as the allowed characters in my password. Someone a…

The bottomline is that if someone can hack a server to steal your fingerprint, they can just as easily use the same method to steal your method so I don't really see the differen imho.

*steal your password

Re: Google Nexus 5x and 6P

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Post by branchan »

nileshtrivedi wrote: post #448
branchan wrote: post #438

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The bottomline is that if someone can hack a server to steal your fingerprint, they can just as easily use the same method to steal your method so I don't really see the differen imho.

Except that you can't choose a different fingerprint for each app/site. Lose it once and all your accounts are compromised.

All the apps that I use give me the option to not use fingerprint login.

Re: Google Nexus 5x and 6P

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Post by eru »

Tsagadai wrote: post #463

Unfortunately, Google Ireland (yes, that is who sells it) has priced the Nexus 6P at $899 AUD. That's a 25% mark up for absolutely no reason (Google isn't paying sales tax in Australia because they are selling from Ireland and charging under $1000 AUD). What a joke, why can't we just all pay the same price?

25% mark up compared to what?

Re: Google Nexus 5x and 6P

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Post by onion2k »

untog wrote: post #325
onion2k wrote: post #241

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Half the memory of the basic model is enough to hold about 100 albums. Is that not enough? Maybe you could listen to some of them twice.

If I had absolutely nothing else on my phone - no apps, no photos, no videos, sure.

That's why I said half the memory.. The other half would be for apps and stuff.

It'd be very interesting to see how much music people store on their phone when they use services like Spotify. I use it on a Nexus 4 and I've never had a problem with running out of space, but I don't have lots of games or anything on there. I honestly doubt it's much more than 2 or 3GB.

Re: Google Nexus 5x and 6P

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Post by Dylan16807 »

shadowmint wrote: post #412
eropple wrote: post #357

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> Better screen? They're both bigger; > So that's one downgrade Two, and one critical. The Nexus 5 was absolutely the biggest phone I would consider, and even that was really too big. Making one phone a dinner plate and one phone a centimeter-larger dinner plate is atrocious. Apparently only Sony wants my money (and honestly the Z Compact series is still too big).

Hm...? It's higher resolution, but the 6P is physically slightly smaller; 5.7" vs 6"; (77.8 x 159.3 x 7.3mm vs 82.9 x 159.2 x 10.0mm).

The comparison was to the 5.
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