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Evernote cuts 47 employees and shuts down 3 offices

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Re: Evernote cuts 47 employees and shuts down 3 offices

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Post by yarrel »

copperx wrote: post #129
jason_slack wrote: post #106

I was an Evernote Premium customer and enjoyed multi-device syncing and private notebooks. I had my own account, paid for out of my own pocket for a year. The company I worked for also decided to used Evernote and I could see our "Team" notebooks, right along with my stuff. When the company stopped using it, not only did I lose the "Team" notebooks, it took all of my personal data with it. I lost everything. Support…

This is insane. Although I believe Evernote is one of the few products that allow you to export your data.

Any product that doesn't allow you to export your data is broken.

Re: Evernote cuts 47 employees and shuts down 3 offices

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Post by wahsd »

puranjay wrote: post #86
cyberpanther wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My prediction, the next dead unicorn: Dropbox They are similar in that they haven't made anything note worthy in a while and their main product is really just a feature of bigger companies apps and services.

I tried Google Drive when it was launched. Used it a lot, but had tons of syncing issues. I ended up losing quite a bit of data. Switched to Dropbox and haven't had a single sync issue since. You're right that it's a service that is ridiculously simple in what it does, but right now, I can't imagine moving my 10GB+ of data to another platform.

Google Drive is really horrible in comparison to many other services.

Re: Evernote cuts 47 employees and shuts down 3 offices

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Post by brazzledazzle »

blakeyrat wrote: post #87
jcrawfordor wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft has OneNote, which might be a good cautionary tale in this area. OneNote was once the king of note taking, like back in 2003, and it's still a great product. But Microsoft focused too much on the Business market, I think, dropping OneNote from the Office Home packages, and that kind of killed it outside of the corp world.

? OneNote has always been in the Office Home & Students version, hasn't it? It's also part of Office 365.

I think they shifted it to a Pro Plus-only feature in Office 2007 or 2010. I could be wrong though.

Edit: Vs. Office Standard. I have no insight into Home or Education versions.

Re: Evernote cuts 47 employees and shuts down 3 offices

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Post by dasil003 »

symstym wrote: post #126

Long ago I got tired of Evernote's bugs and creep of extraneous features and switched to Workflowy [1] for the majority of my general (plaintext) note-taking. I love Workflowy and can't imagine life without it. [1] https://workflowy.com/

Workflowy is a really really cool tool. It totally hits the sweet spot for the way I conduct my day to day work in terms of a todo list which is infinitely nestable, but also focusable, so I can keep track of where I am even on a long yak-shave.

I don't really like it for free-form text since it is list-oriented, but it's taken a surprising chunk out of what I used to keep in nvALT and OmniFocus.

Re: Evernote cuts 47 employees and shuts down 3 offices

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Post by yabatopia »

dmritard96 wrote: post #122

So what is are you paying for at evernote that you cant get (or get well) elsewhere. I haven't used it myself for more than a few minutes and didn't see it but obviously there is something there. Curious to understand what exactly that is?

I use it for everything I want to remember, on all the different platforms I use, stored in one place and easily retrievable. Interesting articles, web pages, quotes, network settings, mails, recipes, shopping lists, to-do lists, pictures... It's available on Android, iOS, Windows, in different browsers, in different apps or software. Everything is searchable, even images thanks to OCR. And I can keep a local copy of my data.

Once you're hooked, you just keep using it, like extended memory.

Re: Evernote cuts 47 employees and shuts down 3 offices

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Post by rhino369 »

fwn wrote: post #3

I wish they would ditch the business focus and return to plain old "remember everything". Who on earth needs features like "work chat"?

>Who on earth needs features like "work chat"?

They want to create a network effect to justify their valuation.

Otherwise it's just a competitor to OneNote, and why is that worth a billion dollars.

Re: Evernote cuts 47 employees and shuts down 3 offices

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Post by tedunangst »

ma2rten wrote: post #130
rsync wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is incredible. I'm sorry that behavior like that exists and that service providers can be so terrible at what they do. It also sounds like an implied admission, on the part of evernote, of not having working backups ? I would think that they would have found some way any way to get your data back to you given what just happened.

That might just mean that they delete all backups when the account gets deleted for privacy reasons.

Depending on the backup tech, that can be kind of difficult. I can't run arbitrary SQL against the database backups I've got stored in tarsnap. Nor against tape, etc.

For that matter, isn't the (or one) reason for having a backup so that errant deletes don't obliterate everything?

Re: Evernote cuts 47 employees and shuts down 3 offices

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Post by Theodores »

jcrawfordor wrote: post #41
on_ wrote: post #29

Evernote is a note taking app in 2015. While slack and hipchat are somewhat iconoclastic, they have network affects and boost productivity. Evernote is competing with apple notes, google docs, whatever microsoft has, every password keeping app, a notebook, a text editor and using a blog. This is something that will likely happen to dropbox and box. You provide storage. Simple math will provide you with the cost of st…

Microsoft has OneNote, which might be a good cautionary tale in this area. OneNote was once the king of note taking, like back in 2003, and it's still a great product. But Microsoft focused too much on the Business market, I think, dropping OneNote from the Office Home packages, and that kind of killed it outside of the corp world.

My working theory regarding OneNote is that it is a peculiarity of Australians. The only people I know that use it are Australian so maybe they have it on the national curriculum there instead of something like 'spelling'.

Re: Evernote cuts 47 employees and shuts down 3 offices

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Post by SilasX »

jmadsen wrote: post #21
JustSomeNobody wrote: post #10

I know that it is the common vernacular, but you didn't let them go, you fired them. Surely they would prefer to not go and continue to pay their mortgage. I'm sure it wasn't easy to fire them, but don't try and make the situation rosey. The folks who decided on the direction of the company decided wrong and now they have to fire the people who executed those decision. Edit: Would you all prefer the word "Terminated"…

It's more than common vernacular in English. "Fired" implies wrong-doing on their part. "Laid off" or "let them go" means the company couldn't afford to pay them, or didn't need them anymore. It leaves no black mark against their name.

Meh ... I just think the issue is just so sensitive that it moves through the euphemism treadmill a lot faster.

When I was growing up, it felt like there was a clear distinction between "fired" (with cause) and "laid off" (bad revenues, can't afford you). But over time I increasingly saw people refer to all terminations as being "laid off".

Then "let go" entered the fray, and I heard of recruiters who told people to refer to any for-cause firing as "being let go".

Whatever term you use on this, people will abuse until it doesn't mean that anymore. They want to make it sound like any termination wasn't for-cause, while having plausible deniability if anyone calls them on it.

And yes, I know the usual ivory tower lecture about "that's how language normally works!" But normally it's slow enough that you can reasonably infer what someone means because of mutual knowledge of what the words mean. Not here. And probably, not ever.

Re: Evernote cuts 47 employees and shuts down 3 offices

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Post by tedunangst »

xiaoma wrote: post #120
defen wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GRPN is down nearly 46% since that was written...

That makes the bull side of the argument significantly stronger, especially given that N. American gross billings are up 12% year-over-year in the last quarter. I have no financial position either way, and I'm not claiming everything is rosy for GRPN but it's very far from being a "dead unicorn" and at least by my analysis the stock is pretty undervalued at the moment.

The lower the stock drops the more it will rocket up!
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