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Re: Apple’s approach to privacy

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Post by jboy55 »

atmosx wrote: post #66
karmelapple wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Genuine curiosity: which country would a company need to be in to be able to trust them?

Switzerland, Netherlands and Norway are a good starting point. I believe that now that privacy became a major concern, we will see countries with some legislative background and experience in other sectors that require secrecy above everything else (e.g. private banking), evolve in secure havens for servers.

A lot has been written about secret US courts giving secret warrants to spy on US networks or force companies to give keys.

Infiltrating foreign servers, installing backdoors and such don't require any warrant or court approval.

Re: Apple’s approach to privacy

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Post by joosters »

0x0 wrote: post #67
joosters wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's detailed in the help page, the link to which is on the same settings screen that contains the switches to turn off. Likewise on MacOS, there's a 'About Spotlight Suggestions & Privacy' button on the Spotlight settings page. Again, it's on the same screen that contains the switches to turn off the feature. You don't need internet access to find these options, and I can't think of a better place to put the help. K…

In iOS9, there's at least "Siri Suggestions" at the top, then intermixed with all your apps there's "Bing Suggestions" and "Spotlight Suggestions", then there's a "Suggested Apps" in the separate "Handoff & Suggested Apps" settings screen, then there is "Suggested Apps" in the "App and iTunes Store" settings screen, then there is "Safari Suggestions" and "Search Engine Suggestions" in the "Safari" settings screen. I…

Confusing, definitely. But in the context of your initial question, bringing up the Siri settings seems a little strange. By definition, if you are using Siri, you are using a remote query... Likewise, if you have hand-off enabled, it's going to be talking over the internet, how else can it work?

Re: Apple’s approach to privacy

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Post by vezzy-fnord »

atmosx wrote: post #66
karmelapple wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Genuine curiosity: which country would a company need to be in to be able to trust them?

Switzerland, Netherlands and Norway are a good starting point. I believe that now that privacy became a major concern, we will see countries with some legislative background and experience in other sectors that require secrecy above everything else (e.g. private banking), evolve in secure havens for servers.

Switzerland has their own private domestic SIGINT network known as Onyx, and has had other surveillance scandals before. [1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_files_scandal

Re: Apple’s approach to privacy

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Post by TazeTSchnitzel »

snowwrestler wrote: post #33
diafygi wrote: post #17

> Apple has never worked with any government agency from any country to create a “backdoor” in any of our products or services. We have also never allowed any government access to our servers. And we never will. Did Apple ever provide any insight into what access the Prism program had? They denied knowing about it[1], so either they are lying or it was a mole. Did they ever follow up with an investigation or conclusi…

Prism in general was mischaracterized by the early reports. It was first reported as a persistent backdoor into servers, but it was actually just a way for NSA to automate requests for information through the FBI. This was detailed in later reports. Edit: for those skeptical about my comment above, here is more detail from a discussion about a year ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8333844

Ah, so then Apple wouldn't be lying if they said they hadn't allowed access to their servers, even under a broad interpretation.

Re: Apple’s approach to privacy

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Post by johnsea »

vezzy-fnord wrote: post #94
atmosx wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Switzerland, Netherlands and Norway are a good starting point. I believe that now that privacy became a major concern, we will see countries with some legislative background and experience in other sectors that require secrecy above everything else (e.g. private banking), evolve in secure havens for servers.

Switzerland has their own private domestic SIGINT network known as Onyx, and has had other surveillance scandals before. [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_files_scandal

You link to something (Fichenaffäre) that happened more than 25 years before...

Re: Apple’s approach to privacy

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Post by vezzy-fnord »

johnsea wrote: post #96
vezzy-fnord wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Switzerland has their own private domestic SIGINT network known as Onyx, and has had other surveillance scandals before. [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_files_scandal

You link to something (Fichenaffäre) that happened more than 25 years before...

I find it reasonable to assume the program was never folded, only rearranged. Much like Total Information Awareness.

Re: Apple’s approach to privacy

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Post by happywolf »

cgh wrote: post #88
happywolf wrote: post #40

I use Apple products, including the MBP on which I am typing this post. I paid big bucks and my expectation is Apple should respect my privacy. Services like Google I use them for free, and as such, monetization is fair. Not for Apple, and I hope it won't let me down.

This seems to me like a rational approach. You get what you pay for. Or to put it another way, if you don't pay for the product, then you are the product.

Yes, I feel this is a fair deal.

Re: Apple’s approach to privacy

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Post by 0x0 »

joosters wrote: post #93
0x0 wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In iOS9, there's at least "Siri Suggestions" at the top, then intermixed with all your apps there's "Bing Suggestions" and "Spotlight Suggestions", then there's a "Suggested Apps" in the separate "Handoff & Suggested Apps" settings screen, then there is "Suggested Apps" in the "App and iTunes Store" settings screen, then there is "Safari Suggestions" and "Search Engine Suggestions" in the "Safari" settings screen. I…

Confusing, definitely. But in the context of your initial question, bringing up the Siri settings seems a little strange. By definition, if you are using Siri, you are using a remote query... Likewise, if you have hand-off enabled, it's going to be talking over the internet, how else can it work?

Handoff should work with just local bluetooth.

And "Siri suggestions" appears on the spotlight search screen to the left / when dragging downwards, so it is not at all obvious what the difference between "siri" and "spotlight" is. Yes, even when I want to do a local spotlight search.

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