Apple’s approach to privacy

Post by subliminalpanda » Tue, Sep 29, 2015, 4:43 PM UTC

teekert wrote: post #58

Jerry2 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Does this mean they are capable of intercepting iMessage? You know what the best way is to see who cooperates with law enforcement and to what level? Court documents! I've been trawling court documents for the past few months (I'm writing a blog article on this) and I'm yet to find iMessage being used in court (unless the access to the conversation was given by one of the parties). iMessage really does seem secure f…

I'm also looking forward to your post. Whatsapp is supposed to be end-to-end encrypted with messages only stored on the phone, at least it has reportedly been like that since end of 2014. It would be extremely interesting and a big scandal if you found documents with Whatsapp messages in them dating from 2015.

Post by Fradow » Tue, Sep 29, 2015, 4:45 PM UTC

harmegido wrote: post #61

Shivetya wrote: post #54

So how will we ever know until it happens if the encryption on Apple devices is weakened by government demands? I understand they have a posted stance on privacy and such but the US government has shown it will threaten even those who divulge requests. It is to the point I don't upgrade i devices until weeks after just to be sure.

Isn't that problem solved by the 'canary in the coal mine' ? A company can have strong privacy language in their documentation. If any or part of that language disappears suddenly one day, you can know that a government forced the company to go against this language?

Post by keejkl » Tue, Sep 29, 2015, 4:58 PM UTC

Post by paulmd » Tue, Sep 29, 2015, 5:05 PM UTC

Bud wrote: post #42

Tangokat wrote: post #22

Apple is in a good position in the market to do this, but it is just really hard to trust any US company. They say they will never give anyone access to their servers but how can they make that promise when they don't make the laws? As an aside I am finding it really difficult to delete my iCloud account, in fact it seems that is impossible.

Changes in laws cannot provide access to data that was never gathered and stored in the first place. Similarly, laws cannot force a company to divulge encrypted data if the company does not hold the encryption keys. So as long as you trust the company, the country it's in is not relevant, at least for the situations outlined above.

Post by gozo » Tue, Sep 29, 2015, 5:11 PM UTC

Bud wrote: post #42

Tangokat wrote: post #22

Apple is in a good position in the market to do this, but it is just really hard to trust any US company. They say they will never give anyone access to their servers but how can they make that promise when they don't make the laws? As an aside I am finding it really difficult to delete my iCloud account, in fact it seems that is impossible.

Changes in laws cannot provide access to data that was never gathered and stored in the first place. Similarly, laws cannot force a company to divulge encrypted data if the company does not hold the encryption keys. So as long as you trust the company, the country it's in is not relevant, at least for the situations outlined above.