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Re: Apple’s approach to privacy

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Apple is in a good position in the market to do this, but it is just really hard to trust any US company. They say they will never give anyone access to their servers but how can they make that promise when they don't make the laws? As an aside I am finding it really difficult to delete my iCloud account, in fact it seems that is impossible.

Genuine curiosity: which country would a company need to be in to be able to trust them?

Re: Apple’s approach to privacy

#42

Apple is in a good position in the market to do this, but it is just really hard to trust any US company. They say they will never give anyone access to their servers but how can they make that promise when they don't make the laws? As an aside I am finding it really difficult to delete my iCloud account, in fact it seems that is impossible.

Changes in laws cannot provide access to data that was never gathered and stored in the first place.

Similarly, laws cannot force a company to divulge encrypted data if the company does not hold the encryption keys.

So as long as you trust the company, the country it's in is not relevant, at least for the situations outlined above.

Re: Apple’s approach to privacy

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I was reading their guidelines for law enforcement requests: https://www.apple.com/privacy/docs/emeia_le_guidelines_final... Interesting note: "P. FaceTime FaceTime communications are end-to-end encrypted and Apple has no way to decrypt FaceTime data when it is in transit between devices. Apple cannot intercept FaceTime communications. Apple has FaceTime call invitation logs when a FaceTime call invitation is initiat…

>Does this mean they are capable of intercepting iMessage?

You know what the best way is to see who cooperates with law enforcement and to what level? Court documents!

I've been trawling court documents for the past few months (I'm writing a blog article on this) and I'm yet to find iMessage being used in court (unless the access to the conversation was given by one of the parties). iMessage really does seem secure from legal system point of view.

For a comparison, I've found dozens of court documents from Google, Facebook, Microsoft handing over chat logs from Hangouts, Whatsapp/FBMessenger, Skype.

Anyway, if you want to see the level of cooperation and want to double-check privacy policies, actual court documents are the best way.

Re: Apple’s approach to privacy

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Apple is in a good position in the market to do this, but it is just really hard to trust any US company. They say they will never give anyone access to their servers but how can they make that promise when they don't make the laws? As an aside I am finding it really difficult to delete my iCloud account, in fact it seems that is impossible.

Genuine curiosity: which country would a company need to be in to be able to trust them?

That's not what it's about for me. If companies like google and Apple want my trust they need to operate as their own government entity and make all users citizens and give them rights. Until then I'll stick to using as much FOSS as possible, never using social media for secure communication, and storing all my own data.

Basically, unless they let me see what's happening with my data by allowing me access to the code, I can't and won't trust them.

Re: Apple’s approach to privacy

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It's a shame the options to disable sending your local spotlight queries to bing and apple are hidden away in a huge list of other apps. I wish they had one giant button for disabling all remote queries instead of 4-5 options spread throughout different settings sub-pages.

I still don't know which setting actually disables that.

It's half a google away.

https://www.google.com/search?q=disable+spotlight+queries+se...

Re: Apple’s approach to privacy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still don't know which setting actually disables that.

It's half a google away. https://www.google.com/search?q=disable+spotlight+queries+se...

Doesn't really address iOS 9 which changed things around a bit, and to even find anything about iOS at all you have to start looking at the 4th or 5th result on some random domain. And - even then - there are multiple odd places in the settings you need to check and verify, some of which are hidden in a long list of other apps.

Re: Apple’s approach to privacy

#47

Wasn't the Fappening because of a iCloud hole?

No, it was because celebrities are normal people and tended to use the same password for multiple services. One service was compromised, which compromised every other one because the passwords were the same.

Source? Most of my google has netted the blame on Apple and a conspiracy throy of this beng a PR scandal.

Re: Apple’s approach to privacy

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post #43

I was reading their guidelines for law enforcement requests: https://www.apple.com/privacy/docs/emeia_le_guidelines_final... Interesting note: "P. FaceTime FaceTime communications are end-to-end encrypted and Apple has no way to decrypt FaceTime data when it is in transit between devices. Apple cannot intercept FaceTime communications. Apple has FaceTime call invitation logs when a FaceTime call invitation is initiat…

>Does this mean they are capable of intercepting iMessage? You know what the best way is to see who cooperates with law enforcement and to what level? Court documents! I've been trawling court documents for the past few months (I'm writing a blog article on this) and I'm yet to find iMessage being used in court (unless the access to the conversation was given by one of the parties). iMessage really does seem secure f…

Sounds very interesting! I will be waiting for the blog post :)

Re: Apple’s approach to privacy

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It's a shame the options to disable sending your local spotlight queries to bing and apple are hidden away in a huge list of other apps. I wish they had one giant button for disabling all remote queries instead of 4-5 options spread throughout different settings sub-pages.

I still don't know which setting actually disables that.

In iOS, you need to turn off 'Spotlight suggestions' and 'Bing Web Results'.

This is documented in the 'About Spotlight Suggestions & Privacy' link at the bottom of the Settings->General->Spotlight Search panel. It's a shame that there's no switch in the actual Privacy panel though.

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