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The Case of Richard Glossip

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Re: The Case of Richard Glossip

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The crazy thing is that although salient, of all the ways the US government kills innocent people, the death penalty probably has one of the lowest total body counts. At least in comparison with wars of aggression, foreign coups, the war on drugs, subsidizing cars, subsidizing fossil fuels, subsidizing tobacco, weak pharma regulation, promoting antibiotics in food, cop shootings, fast food subsidies (via corn), not i…

It seems almost pointless to even have a formal death penalty when law enforcement officers are given effective blanket immunity against homicide charges.

Re: The Case of Richard Glossip

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"If you walk into a school, start shooting and are captured alive - I think you just forfeited any claim on life or potential rehabilitation." Unfortunately most of the people who do this are children. They're usually in situations people would rather ignore. They're desperate. They want attention and they get it at some price that's ultimately... above market.

According to http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/mass-shootings-m... the average age of mass shooters in general is 35.

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Re: The Case of Richard Glossip

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"If you walk into a school, start shooting and are captured alive - I think you just forfeited any claim on life or potential rehabilitation." Unfortunately most of the people who do this are children. They're usually in situations people would rather ignore. They're desperate. They want attention and they get it at some price that's ultimately... above market.

According to http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/mass-shootings-m... the average age of mass shooters in general is 35.

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Re: The Case of Richard Glossip

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"If you walk into a school, start shooting and are captured alive - I think you just forfeited any claim on life or potential rehabilitation." Unfortunately most of the people who do this are children. They're usually in situations people would rather ignore. They're desperate. They want attention and they get it at some price that's ultimately... above market.

According to http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/mass-shootings-m... the average age of mass shooters in general is 35.

I was only talking about school shootings but I still didn't expect it to be that high. Too bad it didn't have the median.

Re: The Case of Richard Glossip

#56
I'd like to examine the perverse incentives behind prosecutors going for the throat. Wouldn't this problem effectively disappear if prosecutors were ranked on "wisdom" and "mercy" instead of how badly (and cheaply) they crush someone who makes even the smallest mistake through a plea deal?

Re: The Case of Richard Glossip

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The justice system isn't for only doing what is just at all times, it is for enforcing the consequences of laws. The point of a law is simply to put down the rules by which order is maintained, and that order is dictated by the morality of the majority of people who hold power in government. The justice system merely upholds the law set down and doles out what the law defines as a 'just' punishment or judgment. A law…

"We can't just selectively enforce or not enforce laws." No one is suggesting the DA pick and choose which laws to enforce. The point is that there appears to be reasonable doubt that he committed the crime and therefore, according to the very laws you demand be enforced, should be acquitted.

Even if there were reasonable doubt, which, if you look into the case, has not yet been established, if there were though, then this would be a miscarriage of justice.

Still not a reason to abolish the death penalty.

Is it immoral? Yes. Impossible to reverse once enforced? Definitely. The government screwed up this one case so the law should be abolished completely? Nope.

Re: The Case of Richard Glossip

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PG, thanks for writing about this and bringing both this case and the death penalty to readers' attention.

Richard Glossip's case is similar in many ways to Troy Davis[1]. You may recognize that name--in 2011, when he was executed, he was the world's most famous death row inmate. Like Glossip, Troy Davis had no physical evidence against him. His conviction (of murdering a police officer) was based primarily on 9 eyewitness testimonies. SEVEN of those eyewitnesses recanted or altered their testimonies, many citing police coercion or intimidation. Ten new witnesses came forward saying one of the two non-recanting witnesses, Sylvester Coles, confessed to the murder.

A few days before he was executed, ONE MILLION people signed a petition to the Georgia Board of Pardons and Paroles. Despite this, and the many doubts in his case, Troy Davis was executed on September 21, 2011.

I was close friends with Troy--I first visited him on death row in 2008 (when I was 15), and spent the next three years visiting him, corresponding with him, and talking to him on the phone. Troy was so well-known because his case epitomized everything that is wrong with the American justice system and the death penalty--racial bias (he was a black man accused of killing a white cop in 1980s Georgia), an overzealous DA with a history of prosecutorial misconduct, police coercion and witness tampering, the execution of innocents (over a dozen death row inmates have been exonerated since he was executed in 2011...how many innocents were executed in that time?) and a justice system so rigid and brittle that it would not even commute his sentence to life imprisonment, despite even a federal judge admitting Troy had shown at least a "minimal" level of doubt in his case.

Troy's last words, recorded minutes before he was executed, are haunting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98dlGv0k2MM

In 2012, I raised 11k on Kickstarter to write a book on my relationship with Troy Davis called Remain Free[2]. It talks about many of the ugly aspects of his life on death row and of the legal corruption in his case that he (and I) couldn't publicly talk about while he was still alive. Since the book is built on hundreds of recorded conversations, in person visits, and letters with Troy, you really get a sense of who he was as a person and the kind of toll two decades on death row takes on him and his family.

If you'd like a copy, you can order it on Amazon[3] or through http://remainfree.com. All profits go to the Innocence Project [4], a non-profit that works to free wrongfully convicted individuals through DNA testing. Alternatively, email me (gautamnarula[at]gmail.com) a screenshot of a $10 donation to the Innocence Project, and I'll send you the e-book for free. Donate $20 to the Innocence Project, and I'll send you a physical copy for just the cost of shipping ($3 in the US).

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Davis

[2] http://remainfree.com

[3] http://www.amazon.com/Remain-Free-Memoir-Gautam-Narula/dp/09...

[4] http://innocenceproject.org

Re: The Case of Richard Glossip

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RE: How people are and the death penalty The other day I was driving down the road and thinking about how people are. It was 33 years coming but here's what hit me: people do what they want, even in the face of devastating consequences. See that long line outside any burger joint? See the stats on the amount of hard drugs guaranteed to destroy your world we consume? See that person cheating? See that DA wanting a win…

Your point about 20 years vs 1 is really important. Sentences have gotten so long for relatively harmless crimes that benchmarking becomes distorted. If anyone thinks about all the tings they will do in the next 3 years, then compare that to losing 20 years it can help show how long of a sentence that is.
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