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Signs of Liquid Water Found on Surface of Mars, Study Says

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Re: Signs of Liquid Water Found on Surface of Mars, Study Says

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I know that without water life would have never begun, but I still don't fully understand why it is necessary. It is still big discovery though, if life is that common I think we should be more careful during migration there, "Marsian" common cold could wipe out the entire human colony.

Earth life is aquatic. Our chemistry happens immersed in water. When life left the oceans, living beings like you and I took the water with us. We are walking bags of water: approx 75% by weight.

Of course martian life could be different than terran life, and that would be interesting too. But there are reasons to suspect that liquid chemical reactions was necessary at the genesis of life, and water is a uniquely optimal liquid for this purpose.

A martian virus is unlikely to do anything to your immune system. For one thing it is unlikely that the virus would even use the same genetic codes (A C T G) as terran DNA, unless we share a common ancestor, and even in that case it wouldn't do anything against you & your immune system would eventually create an antibody and wipe it out. We fear things like bird flu and swine flu because they develop in close proximity to humans in analogous systems, honing attack vectors specifically targeting some weakness of the animal body. An alien virus would likewise be good at attacking aliens, not us.

Re: Signs of Liquid Water Found on Surface of Mars, Study Says

#52
post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I know that without water life would have never begun, but I still don't fully understand why it is necessary. "Life" is a bunch of chemical processes. A necessary prerequisite is therefore a solvent in which those chemical processes can occur, and which can move substances around, whether it's within a cell, an organism, or an environment. Of all the potential solvents, solids can't move stuff around, and in gases…

I am not good at chemistry, but liquid methane–ethane wouldn't fit the profile?

Actually I found comprehensive answer here if anyone is interested: http://www.space.com/13639-alien-life-methane-habitable-zone...

Re: Signs of Liquid Water Found on Surface of Mars, Study Says

#53
post #33

I know that without water life would have never begun, but I still don't fully understand why it is necessary. It is still big discovery though, if life is that common I think we should be more careful during migration there, "Marsian" common cold could wipe out the entire human colony.

> I know that without water life would have never begun, but I still don't fully understand why it is necessary. "Life" is a bunch of chemical processes. A necessary prerequisite is therefore a solvent in which those chemical processes can occur, and which can move substances around, whether it's within a cell, an organism, or an environment. Of all the potential solvents, solids can't move stuff around, and in gases…

"Water is the only molecule that fits the bill, and happens to be the second most common molecule in the universe." [citation needed]

Re: Signs of Liquid Water Found on Surface of Mars, Study Says

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post #51
post #33

I know that without water life would have never begun, but I still don't fully understand why it is necessary. It is still big discovery though, if life is that common I think we should be more careful during migration there, "Marsian" common cold could wipe out the entire human colony.

Earth life is aquatic. Our chemistry happens immersed in water. When life left the oceans, living beings like you and I took the water with us. We are walking bags of water: approx 75% by weight. Of course martian life could be different than terran life, and that would be interesting too. But there are reasons to suspect that liquid chemical reactions was necessary at the genesis of life, and water is a uniquely opt…

I would rather say, that the fear of the unknown is playing major part. Any maybe too much sci-fi movies.

Re: Signs of Liquid Water Found on Surface of Mars, Study Says

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The first I have heard of Don Juan Pond ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Juan_Pond ) although I wouldn't say it looks like a swimming pool ( http://www.lakescientist.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/don-... ). Edit: Here is an article from brown that also draws parallels between Don Juan and Mars: https://news.brown.edu/articles/2013/02/antarctica

Well, I definitely wouldn't choose that picture if I was trying to convince somebody to swim in it. This one looks better, although still not sure I could actually "swim".

http://www.worldalldetails.com/article_image/natural_phenome...

Re: Signs of Liquid Water Found on Surface of Mars, Study Says

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post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I know that without water life would have never begun, but I still don't fully understand why it is necessary. "Life" is a bunch of chemical processes. A necessary prerequisite is therefore a solvent in which those chemical processes can occur, and which can move substances around, whether it's within a cell, an organism, or an environment. Of all the potential solvents, solids can't move stuff around, and in gases…

I am not good at chemistry, but liquid methane–ethane wouldn't fit the profile?

Those are non-polar, so would not work as a liquid environment for Earth-like biochemistry. Doesn't rule out the possibility of different forms of life ... but there is a high prior against it.

Re: Signs of Liquid Water Found on Surface of Mars, Study Says

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post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I know that without water life would have never begun, but I still don't fully understand why it is necessary. "Life" is a bunch of chemical processes. A necessary prerequisite is therefore a solvent in which those chemical processes can occur, and which can move substances around, whether it's within a cell, an organism, or an environment. Of all the potential solvents, solids can't move stuff around, and in gases…

"Water is the only molecule that fits the bill, and happens to be the second most common molecule in the universe." [citation needed]

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Re: Signs of Liquid Water Found on Surface of Mars, Study Says

#60

So where is the liquid water coming from ? and as per the article if the evidence suggests that water would have flowed just 'days' before, is it in the realm of possibility to detect actual water from MRO ?

FTA

> “There are two basic origins for the water: from above or from below,” Dr. McEwen said. The perchlorates could be acting like a sponge, absorbing moisture out of the air... The other possibility is underground aquifers, frozen solid during winter, melting during summer and seeping to the surface.

Although "rain"/humidity is unlikely, the article also discusses why it can still be considered a possibility since we don't have good humidity measurements at the surface.

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