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Re: Prebake: Block EU Cookie Notices with Adblock

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Post by vruiz »

cornewut wrote: post #6
vruiz wrote: post #2

This is great not just from a user's perspective, also the fact that it exists helps pointing out the stupidity of the law.

I think law is fine and there should be only a handful of sites in the Internet that would need such warnings. Problem is the abuse of technology to track users.

Even assuming that law was necessary (debatable), the idiotic thing was asking millions of websites to do this, instead of automatically in a handful of browsers. Not to mention absurdities like the fact that you need cookies to remember that the user doesn't want cookies, or even worse: https://twitter.com/jgrahamc/status/633551359774691328

Re: Prebake: Block EU Cookie Notices with Adblock

#12

Post by cornewut »

dazc wrote: post #10
cornewut wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think law is fine and there should be only a handful of sites in the Internet that would need such warnings. Problem is the abuse of technology to track users.

Adsense have recently notified publishers that they need to implement a cookie law compliance solution. I don't know how aggressively they [google] will have to enforce this but the possibility of losing adsense revenue will be a hugely motivating factor. So the number of sites the need such warnings is about to increase massively.

Or how about Google making a form of Adsense that doesn't track users?

I somehow have a feeling that large corporations intentionally are trying to make this law ridiculous. E.g. why blogspot pages would need such warnings? Please Google just stop tracking.

Re: Prebake: Block EU Cookie Notices with Adblock

#13

Post by Kequc »

prodmerc wrote: post #8

Well, this is just funny. Or sad, depending on how you look at it. Personally, I'm annoyed by the cookie messages, but the law is supposed to help people. Blocking (or auto-accepting) them is basically saying we don't give a shit about this law :-)

Cookies are integral to the operation of every modern website. They offer security in the form of features like csrf protection or maintaining login state between visits. There is sufficient protection for cookies in the form of encryption and a laundry list of further details which have been added over the years.

There are far larger security related concerns on the web. The cookie warnings are on par with if you had to agree with Javascript running on any page you visit in the EU. So, yes, I want to auto-accept.

As a developer I feel like I'm not going to make special considerations that ensure you can use forms on my website without cookies enabled. And I'm not going to find another way to detect and re-instate your login state.

Re: Prebake: Block EU Cookie Notices with Adblock

#14

Post by prodmerc »

Kequc wrote: post #13
prodmerc wrote: post #8

Well, this is just funny. Or sad, depending on how you look at it. Personally, I'm annoyed by the cookie messages, but the law is supposed to help people. Blocking (or auto-accepting) them is basically saying we don't give a shit about this law :-)

Cookies are integral to the operation of every modern website. They offer security in the form of features like csrf protection or maintaining login state between visits. There is sufficient protection for cookies in the form of encryption and a laundry list of further details which have been added over the years. There are far larger security related concerns on the web. The cookie warnings are on par with if you ha…

Yeah, from a technology point of view, they're necessary.

The law is half baked and passed only to appease people who worry about their privacy. And it really doesn't do much...

Re: Prebake: Block EU Cookie Notices with Adblock

#15

Post by liam_ja »

Hi HN, I'm the creator of this filter list.

If anyone can spare 5-10 minutes a week to help me and a couple of others maintain this list (testing and merging pull requests, closing issues, etc.), I'd be very appreciative!

You can contact me here or send an email to cookies[at]prebake[dot]eu

Re: Prebake: Block EU Cookie Notices with Adblock

#16

Post by r3bl »

prodmerc wrote: post #8

Well, this is just funny. Or sad, depending on how you look at it. Personally, I'm annoyed by the cookie messages, but the law is supposed to help people. Blocking (or auto-accepting) them is basically saying we don't give a shit about this law :-)

From my experience, most of the sites that have this warning only have a single button: accept. No way to disallow the cookies that get stored regardless of how you react to that popup. This will just save me a click.

Re: Prebake: Block EU Cookie Notices with Adblock

#17

Post by cornewut »

vruiz wrote: post #11
cornewut wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think law is fine and there should be only a handful of sites in the Internet that would need such warnings. Problem is the abuse of technology to track users.

Even assuming that law was necessary (debatable), the idiotic thing was asking millions of websites to do this, instead of automatically in a handful of browsers. Not to mention absurdities like the fact that you need cookies to remember that the user doesn't want cookies, or even worse: https://twitter.com/jgrahamc/status/633551359774691328

I don't think the law specifies to use cookies to disable cookies and it's a good thing - lawmakers shouldn't care about technological solutions.

Re: Prebake: Block EU Cookie Notices with Adblock

#18

Post by dazc »

cornewut wrote: post #12
dazc wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Adsense have recently notified publishers that they need to implement a cookie law compliance solution. I don't know how aggressively they [google] will have to enforce this but the possibility of losing adsense revenue will be a hugely motivating factor. So the number of sites the need such warnings is about to increase massively.

Or how about Google making a form of Adsense that doesn't track users? I somehow have a feeling that large corporations intentionally are trying to make this law ridiculous. E.g. why blogspot pages would need such warnings? Please Google just stop tracking.

It could be useful to give publishers this option. It would also be interesting to see what difference it would make in terms of revenue?

Re: Prebake: Block EU Cookie Notices with Adblock

#19

Post by blub »

Kequc wrote: post #13
prodmerc wrote: post #8

Well, this is just funny. Or sad, depending on how you look at it. Personally, I'm annoyed by the cookie messages, but the law is supposed to help people. Blocking (or auto-accepting) them is basically saying we don't give a shit about this law :-)

Cookies are integral to the operation of every modern website. They offer security in the form of features like csrf protection or maintaining login state between visits. There is sufficient protection for cookies in the form of encryption and a laundry list of further details which have been added over the years. There are far larger security related concerns on the web. The cookie warnings are on par with if you ha…

This law aims to protect users from being tracked across multiple websites. There are exceptions in place and most websites would not need to display any message, unless they are in fact helping track their users.

If they include services like Google analytics they should absolutely display the message.

Re: Prebake: Block EU Cookie Notices with Adblock

#20

Post by mstade »

Kequc wrote: post #9
Udo wrote: post #7

This whole thing is ridiculous. While adding these widgets to blocking filters seems like a workable short-term solution, the entire cookie notice scheme is unworkable in the long run. The problem is, this crap will stack up in the future, and none of it will ever get abolished. On some sites, I get a triple-stacked legalese warning banner, and I have to manually close all three of them. Since internet law will only…

These laws are still evolving and changing. Different for every country. We don't have something international we can build standards upon at this point in time. It seems to me there would also be an active push against any such implementation because it would make current solutions for getting around this type of cruft more effective than it already is. Although if we were going to go this route I'd like to see it b…

> These laws are still evolving and changing. Different for every country. We don't have something international we can build standards upon at this point in time.

Not every country. This is EU legislation after all; any website hosted in one of the 28 member countries has to abide.

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