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Why Is It Still Legal to Use Human Antibiotics on Farm Animals?

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Re: Why Is It Still Legal to Use Human Antibiotics on Farm Animals?

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The title annoys me. Being "human" antibiotics is irrelevant. They don't kill humans, and they're not human specific. They're just basic antibiotics.

If you were to cut out the alarmist, repetitive fluff you do actually have a problem at the bottom of all this. overused antibiotics (anywhere, on any species) tends to push evolution toward antibiotic resistance. That's bad. That said, from what I read in this article, this bill is also bad.

Re: Why Is It Still Legal to Use Human Antibiotics on Farm Animals?

#12

“Let’s put it simply: would you rather have meat from an animal that was sick during its lifetime or one that was healthy?” This if a false dichotomy. The only thing at risk is profit margin.

There are two primary use cases for antibiotics in livestock management. One, treating animals with serious bacterial infections, is at least somewhat defensible. The other is purely profit-driven: low-level treatment increases feed efficiency. And long-term low-level treatment effectively selects for antibiotic resistance.

Anyway, I'd rather eat meat from animals that had been sick, as opposed to meat contaminated with antibiotic-resistant pathogenic bacteria.

Edit: I wrote "somewhat defensible" because it's my impression that antibiotics serve as low-cost mitigation for overcrowding, poor hygiene, and other deficiencies in livestock management.

Re: Why Is It Still Legal to Use Human Antibiotics on Farm Animals?

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What on earth are "Human" antibiotics? Antibiotics kill bacteria. There is nothing specific to our primate subspecies about them, AFAIK.

There are plenty of things that kill bacteria. The trick is finding something that doesn't kill everything else.

Re: Why Is It Still Legal to Use Human Antibiotics on Farm Animals?

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post #11

The title annoys me. Being "human" antibiotics is irrelevant. They don't kill humans, and they're not human specific. They're just basic antibiotics. If you were to cut out the alarmist, repetitive fluff you do actually have a problem at the bottom of all this. overused antibiotics (anywhere, on any species) tends to push evolution toward antibiotic resistance. That's bad. That said, from what I read in this article,…

Excuse my ignorance, but aren't antibiotics meant for humans, tested on us as well?

I think the issue here is that antibiotics being given to animals were not studied for these scenarios. For instance, how they may impact milk and meat quality. Not to mention that they are given to animals in much less "regulated" way, compared to people.

Re: Why Is It Still Legal to Use Human Antibiotics on Farm Animals?

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post #11

The title annoys me. Being "human" antibiotics is irrelevant. They don't kill humans, and they're not human specific. They're just basic antibiotics. If you were to cut out the alarmist, repetitive fluff you do actually have a problem at the bottom of all this. overused antibiotics (anywhere, on any species) tends to push evolution toward antibiotic resistance. That's bad. That said, from what I read in this article,…

That's true. But, from a human-centric perspective, what matters most is their ability to fight bacterial infections in humans. It's also true that antibiotics are also used inappropriately in medical practice. Pediatricians tend to prescribe them more-or-less as a placebo, to fend off freaked-out parents. Flu suffers also tend to demand them. But there's always some ambiguity, given risk of secondary bacterial infections.

There's no ambiguity in using antibiotics in livestock management to increase feed efficiency. That's just about the money. It either needs to be illegal, or we need some class torts ;)

Re: Why Is It Still Legal to Use Human Antibiotics on Farm Animals?

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What on earth are "Human" antibiotics? Antibiotics kill bacteria. There is nothing specific to our primate subspecies about them, AFAIK.

What on earth are "Human" antibiotics?

Simple – antibiotics approved for use to treat human illness. The problem is that when they're used indiscriminately, whether on humans who don't need them, or on livestock, bacteria develop resistance.

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EDIT: DISCLAIMER: See a doctor, don't take this as advise ! “You should never give an antibiotic to anybody, human or animal, unless they’re ill,” IIRC that is even wrong ! You shouldn't be using antibiotics unless you have good change to get severely sick or develop (long term, or very bad short term) complications (holes in body due to infection, septicemia, ... )

Honest mistake but you shouldn't give medical opinions on public forums unless you're a licensed medical doctor. You might convince some poor sap to wait until they're septic to see a doctor. As someone that's been on IV antibiotics, I can tell you that there's no fucking around with bacterial infections and only a doctor (an infectious disease specialist) can evaluate the situation properly.

Question: Any bacterial foothold should be considered dangerous ?

Re: Why Is It Still Legal to Use Human Antibiotics on Farm Animals?

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post #18

What on earth are "Human" antibiotics? Antibiotics kill bacteria. There is nothing specific to our primate subspecies about them, AFAIK.

What on earth are "Human" antibiotics? Simple – antibiotics approved for use to treat human illness. The problem is that when they're used indiscriminately, whether on humans who don't need them, or on livestock, bacteria develop resistance.

When you use them on livestock you can guarantee they will be used indiscriminately... with the respective consequences.
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