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For San Francisco Cab Drivers, Once-Treasured Medallions Now a Burden

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Re: For San Francisco Cab Drivers, Once-Treasured Medallions Now a Burden

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Here's the thing I don't understand -- if the main attraction (from a customer point of view) is the app (with everything that comes with it), why haven't the cab companies got in on the same game? Either put out their own app to hail rides (and maybe give their cabs a more luxury look to them), or sign up as Uber/Lyft drivers themselves? Or is there something I'm missing?

In my opinion, the major benefit of Uber/Lyft is also the accountability. Having an easily-accessible paper trail of who my drivers were ensures I won't fret about losing things. If I have a poor experience, my rating actually matters and poor drivers are kicked off of the platform. If my Uber driver longhauls me (No accountability or recourse in traditional cabs.

Re: For San Francisco Cab Drivers, Once-Treasured Medallions Now a Burden

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Cab driver /= medallion owner.

For every poor hardworking cab driver who has taken a mortgage out to buy a medallion, there are a dozen sleazy operators who own piles of them, do not drive, and have leased them out to cabbies at horrific rates.

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Here's the thing I don't understand -- if the main attraction (from a customer point of view) is the app (with everything that comes with it), why haven't the cab companies got in on the same game? Either put out their own app to hail rides (and maybe give their cabs a more luxury look to them), or sign up as Uber/Lyft drivers themselves? Or is there something I'm missing?

This probably varies a lot between cities, but the main appeal of Uber in Portland is reliability. I would love to keep it local and all, but the local cab companies (cough Radio Cab cough) would often show up hours late, if at all, even when reservations were booked a day in advance. Without a car and with public transit closed in the wee hours of the morning, cabs were my only incredibly unreliable option for getting to the airport. With Uber and Lyft I have never had issues getting to the airpot at odd hours.

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Here's the thing I don't understand -- if the main attraction (from a customer point of view) is the app (with everything that comes with it), why haven't the cab companies got in on the same game? Either put out their own app to hail rides (and maybe give their cabs a more luxury look to them), or sign up as Uber/Lyft drivers themselves? Or is there something I'm missing?

I think when you say "the app" you really mean "the convenience of not having to hail a cab" specifically. The app is a game changer, but not for that reason. Not having to hail is nice, but that's only the tip of the iceberg.

For example, a couple of days ago I took an Uber. The driver that picked me up was a student. I asked him why he was driving, and he said, "Oh, well I came [to this city] to hang out with my friends, but they can't do anything for another hour. So I decided to do a few rides while I wait."

Uber was able to take the unused potential of someone just messing around in a city and use them to pick me up.

They are able to do that because they can watch everything that happens via the app. If someone tries to screw you over and take a long route if you're new to the city, Uber gives you a refund and the driver doesn't get paid. If the driver is driving like a maniac on bald tires while they talk on their phone, you can give them a low rating. Enough of those and they get kicked off of the service entirely. In other words, instead of an expensive and burdensome network of licensing and regulations, Uber was able to better regulate what was happening using technology.

The first time I ever took an Uber a driver came and picked me up, opened the door for me, gave me a water bottle and some candy, turned on the music I like, and was very safe and professional. And the whole thing cost less than a taxi. I haven't been in a taxi since.

So the app is the main attraction, but not because you can hail a car (though that's nice, especially when you're in underserved areas). It's because the app allows Uber to create a completely different economy around the supply and demand of ridesharing.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Local governments could pay money to buy them back? It does seem unfair to charge such high amounts of money for something now worthless.

By that logic apple needs to give me back my $600 for my iPhone3GS He made a bet that value would stay He was wrong Sucks Sad? sure. But not anyone's fault

Why? it still works. It would be more like buying a 2 year contract up front and getting a phone and then 2 days later the phone no longer works.

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Here's the thing I don't understand -- if the main attraction (from a customer point of view) is the app (with everything that comes with it), why haven't the cab companies got in on the same game? Either put out their own app to hail rides (and maybe give their cabs a more luxury look to them), or sign up as Uber/Lyft drivers themselves? Or is there something I'm missing?

I think when you say "the app" you really mean "the convenience of not having to hail a cab" specifically. The app is a game changer, but not for that reason. Not having to hail is nice, but that's only the tip of the iceberg. For example, a couple of days ago I took an Uber. The driver that picked me up was a student. I asked him why he was driving, and he said, "Oh, well I came [to this city] to hang out with my fr…

I think the parent was talking about supply side. I think you are totally correct but, I find myself not satisfied with the answer. All legitimate cab companies should puf money into hiring a company to build a sinple app to connect them to legal taxis. You pay, you get on the app. Tagline, "as convenient as uber, only legal".

It would be a hell of a lot cheaper than funding lawyers and lobbyists like they have been.

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This isn't unique to San Francisco, the entire industry is in a free fall nationwide... It is incredible to watch the effects of a little innovation and (effectively) deregulation. Chicaco: "Once a sure bet, taxi medallions becoming unsellable" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9564478 http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/05/17/taxi-medallion... New York: "New York City Taxi Medallion Prices Keep Falling" https…

Don't forget that the "innovator" is operating illegally in many jurisdictions and is actively trying to buy protection (i.e., lobbying).

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Here's the thing I don't understand -- if the main attraction (from a customer point of view) is the app (with everything that comes with it), why haven't the cab companies got in on the same game? Either put out their own app to hail rides (and maybe give their cabs a more luxury look to them), or sign up as Uber/Lyft drivers themselves? Or is there something I'm missing?

They have: https://gocurb.com They've been doing it for a while -- this app used to be Taxi Magic. It's slower to respond than Uber, and more expensive.

I've seen more than a few cabs in Seattle with "Use the APP" on the side. Every cab company has a different app.

Uber did start the shift to using apps instead of hailing or calling cabs. Now, the idea is in the "fragmentation stage" with the early adopters, where everyone and their brother has developed a different app. Once some of the underperfomers fade away, there will hopefully be more centralization when late adopter customers start using this market.

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post #7

Here's the thing I don't understand -- if the main attraction (from a customer point of view) is the app (with everything that comes with it), why haven't the cab companies got in on the same game? Either put out their own app to hail rides (and maybe give their cabs a more luxury look to them), or sign up as Uber/Lyft drivers themselves? Or is there something I'm missing?

This probably varies a lot between cities, but the main appeal of Uber in Portland is reliability. I would love to keep it local and all, but the local cab companies ( cough Radio Cab cough ) would often show up hours late, if at all, even when reservations were booked a day in advance. Without a car and with public transit closed in the wee hours of the morning, cabs were my only incredibly unreliable option for get…

It was a similar story in Seattle. Frequently you'd call both yellow cab and orange cab (the two major cab companies) because you only expected one of them to show up within a reasonable time frame (which of course only exacerbated the problem).

Re: For San Francisco Cab Drivers, Once-Treasured Medallions Now a Burden

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post #7

Here's the thing I don't understand -- if the main attraction (from a customer point of view) is the app (with everything that comes with it), why haven't the cab companies got in on the same game? Either put out their own app to hail rides (and maybe give their cabs a more luxury look to them), or sign up as Uber/Lyft drivers themselves? Or is there something I'm missing?

in sf, specifically, the taxi companies are utter shit (and evil, to boot).

I badly broke my leg and, because I lived too far from public transportation to crutch over, had to take taxis to work 4-5 times a week, often both ways. No taxi company in sf will reliably come, even if you make it clear that you are going to take a cab at least 4 days a week for most of the next year. Instead, even when you are in the middle of the mission in a relatively dense location and going to soma, dispatch simply lies and says "10 to 15 minutes". A 95% wait time was 3 hours, and a 85% time was 1 hour 15 minutes, for what should be an approximately 15 minute drive. Even simple requests like calling a couple minutes before the taxi arrives so I could get down 2 flights of stairs on crutches without detaining the driver or having the driver leave couldn't be followed. Needless to say, this causes significant disruption to your life when you have to leave 90 minutes plus the length of the drive before going somewhere if you want to have any hope of reliably getting there on time. And god forbid you have to see your surgeon or something else with a hard deadline. The taxi services should be ashamed of themselves, and frankly participated in a violation of my civil rights as done by a quasi-governmental monopoly. And there are other issues: when I would occasionally have to pay with a card, the meter would suddenly be broken until you made it clear drivers had two choices: call the card in or not get paid. A fucking miracle would occur, and the card reader would start working. The taxi system literally shat on their customers.

The advantage of uber is simple: when requested, they either come, or say they won't. That allows you to be an adult and either make alternative arrangements or tell the other party you'll be late. I used uber even when they cost 2x as much as a cab just for this reason.

In conclusion, fuck taxis. Also, fuck sf. Only in sf is "a taxi that comes" a disruptive service.

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