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L.A. to declare 'state of emergency' on homelessness

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Re: L.A. to declare 'state of emergency' on homelessness

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I remember reading something about how one of the biggest hurdles of tackling homelessness is dealing with those who were made homeless through a history of mental illness. If someone suffers homelessness due to mental illness, I'm sure that chucking them in with a bunch of other homeless people in a shared home isn't going to fix the problem, so it'll be interesting to see how these people will be treated. $100m isn…

This is completely off the top of my head; There is a tax in SF to provide healthcare to service industry workers -- waitstaff, cooks, bartenders, etc. SF pays ~25K/year on EACH homeless person (according to a study that was published recently -- ill go look for it in a sec.) That 25K goes to pay CITY workers who ostensibly are providing the "services" that hte homeless get... I argue that we, instead, pay the homele…

san francisco can't even paint straight lines on the road (i saw it with my own eyes last time i was in the sunset - shockingly bad), do you it's because they lack the money or technology to do so?

Re: L.A. to declare 'state of emergency' on homelessness

#102
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are already being forced to pay for homelessness. Directly in the form of things like hospital bills, but also indirectly in terms of inefficiency. Less workforce, public safety, progress etc.

Part of the objection is about tax rates , sure. But there can be ethical questions about forcing people to pay for things. The government could be funding churches. Or, in a dystopia, using the money to sterilize the mentally ill. Moral objection to spending is what what the defunding of Planned Parenthood and the boycotts of Chik-Fil-A are about. I don't think there will be controversy around treating suffering peo…

> Moral objection to spending is what what the defunding of Planned Parenthood...

Which is both sad and hilarious, since only 3 percent of the services provided by Planned Parenthood are abortions, yet they provide an overwhelming amount of non-abortion services to women across the country.

And there's moral objection. To paying for health services for women who can't afford it.

http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/08/05/429641...

Re: L.A. to declare 'state of emergency' on homelessness

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Is there any way a person with a mental illness get a proper treatment in US? I mean, for some one who is unable to work because he has, for instance, schizophrenia, clinical depression or alcoholism, is there any option apart from indigence?

There used to be, no longer. Good news in that the problem is solvable, but bad news is that the problem is political and the situation isn't likely to change.

Re: L.A. to declare 'state of emergency' on homelessness

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These cities create the homeless problem by enabling the lifestyle. It's a taboo thing to say but spend enough time in different locations and you learn very quickly that the homeless are shameless opportunists who go wherever they can most leech off society. My entire childhood growing up I never saw a single homeless person despite growing up in an impoverished rural area. It was viciously cold outside in the winte…

> Omniusaspirer: It's a taboo thing to say but spend enough time in > different locations and you learn very quickly that the homeless are > shameless opportunists who go wherever they can most leech off > society.

First, I have to be clear: the homeless are a broad population, and calling them all parasites, essentially, is offensive to me. I've spent more time than most talking to homeless, helping them, and I consider many homeless people to be friends. A lot of them are mentally ill, and they are ill in ways that are easily identifiable from a brief encounter. However a lot of them are ill in ways that are just as damaging, but not easily identified. One rather common example: depression. From the outside they look normal, but if you spend any time at all talking with them, it's clear that something is very wrong. Some of them have trouble regulating their emotions, and it's not that they just don't try. It's not a problem that they can think their way out of, and medication often isn't that effective. Some of them are physically ill, but again, it's not clear just looking at them that somethings wrong. One friend of mine had a heart attack, got MRSA in the hospital which became a 9 month ICU visit that cleared him out of all his money. The end result was six or seven years of homelessness, until he could get into subsidized housing.

Please note that I'm not saying that all homeless people are just in need of some love and understanding and then everything will be just ducky. The fact is that some homeless people are dangerous and should be locked up. I don't have any trouble with that (although they should get psychological help while locked up).

If I had to guess, based on my (very) limited experience I'd say that about 1/3 of the homeless population is there because of addiction issues, and the remaining 2/3 has serious mental issues.

I agree that there needs to be "expanded mental services, more rehabilitation", however I think the policing needs to be dome very carefully. From the tone of your post, I suspect your idea of "strict policing" is going to cause more harm than good. First, there are some civil rights issues -- it's illegal (in the US) to discriminate against a class of people. That's why cities can't just kick out the homeless, just like they can't ust kick out addicts, or black people. Second, strict policing of homelessness will end up throwing a vulnerable population into jails or prisons, both of which are expensive, overcrowded, and have many other serious problems.

The thing with homelessness is that there isn't any easy, one-size-fits-all answer. It is a difficult problem, and one that will take time and money to address. I don't have any easy answers, either. But there are a lot of people suffering. Also, don't think that you are that far from homelessness. It's not an "us vs. them" issue. Sooner or later all of us get old, or sick, and need someone to take care of us. That's just how life is.

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