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E-Book Sales Slip, and Print Is Far from Dead

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Re: E-Book Sales Slip, and Print Is Far from Dead

#91
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hold fairly different opinions, though I agree that digital reading sources can make sense for completely new books read for pleasure. As a longtime physical product, paper has a lot of benefits. My dad can give me a book he read in college, just grab it off the shelf. I can go buy books extremely cheaply secondhand, sometimes free. I can't imagine paying $10 for an ebook when I can go to a used bookstore and pay $…

> My dad can give me a book he read in college, just grab it off the shelf. I can go buy books extremely cheaply secondhand, sometimes free. I can't imagine paying $10 for an ebook when I can go to a used bookstore and pay $3, and then I own it forever. Additionally, once I own it I can share it, give it away, write in the margins, dog-ear pages, leave post-it notes, etc. I also can't imagine a world where 20 years l…

Why do people keep bringing up blockchains whenever they want to talk about generic digital ownership transfers where they don't really provide any benefit...

It's the new "cloud", I swear.

Re: E-Book Sales Slip, and Print Is Far from Dead

#92
One problem this article doesn't talk about is that people who get rejected from every publishing house (or who don't bother sending to traditional publishers) can now just throw their book on Amazon.

Ploughing through the slush pile was never seen as a fun job, so it's weird that the stuff in that pile is now being sold. http://www.theguardian.com/books/booksblog/2007/may/23/thesh...

There's no sensible way for me to find decent new content, so I stick to authors I already know (until they put out a duff book, where I drop them) or I read things like One Story which has let me discover some amazing writers. (eg Caitlin Horrocks http://www.amazon.co.uk/This-Is-Not-Your-City/dp/1932511911 )

https://www.one-story.com/

Re: E-Book Sales Slip, and Print Is Far from Dead

#93
post #15

I hope this isn't the trend going forward. I don't get the traditionalist love of paperback books most of the time. Like the sort of people who go on and on about exploring book stores or the smell of new paper. I love my Kindle and I really hope to be able to use it as my primary reading source, its just so convenient, light, portable and unobtrusive (especially with that newer back-light option). But the price of n…

I'm price concious, so a cheaper paperback will put me off from buying the ebook. I don't care if books are expensive apart from that.

Children's books currently are better in print than in ebook form. The Kate Greenaway award lists some really nice books that don't work in ebook form. http://www.carnegiegreenaway.org.uk/greenaway/

(I'm sure this is something my child will think is odd when xe reads to their child - "My Dad used to read to me from real paper books!".)

Re: E-Book Sales Slip, and Print Is Far from Dead

#94
post #89

This article just feels irrelevant and completely out of touch. As many people have pointed out here, e-books are insanely popular, just not necessarily through the traditional distributors. Personally, I also believe that there's only one reason why the paper book isn't far less popular than it is, and it's entirely temporary. Get out of the tech-minded echo chamber and ask a person why they would still buy a paper…

>1. Make an e-reader with a beautiful e-paper screen capable of displaying full color.

Color drains battery life. Let this be a 2nd/3rd gen thing. Few books will take advantage of full illustrations. This, however, can be huge for children's books.

>2. Make the screen refresh very quickly

From my hardly-ever-use of a few e-readers. Is this really a problem?

>3. Give it sensible touch gestures that you never accidentally trigger, and give it very useful physical buttons.

Physical buttons are a dying out thing and a signal of you being part of an older generation. ;) The people I speak to hate physical buttons. While I also love actual, physical buttons, it's a dying fashion over touch.

>4. Make sure it can do everything a book can do. Can you quickly thumb through a 500 page novel on a kindle? Nope. Can you easily write something in the margin? Nope. Can you bookmark your current reading position, and also earmark a few other favorite spots in the book? Nope.

This needs entirely specialized/new software. DRM also limits the usefulness of such features. Adding a highlighting/favorites feature akin to Slack that you can easily browse on a per-book level would be a huge jump forward.

>5. Give it a non-tech appearance. Make the damn thing out of wood.

People want flashy. Make it shiny, not wood-like. Even books aren't wood-like tomes. Additional cases/skins/stickers are for personalization, not the form-factor itself.

>6. Sell it in 3 sizes from day 1: The current standard paperback-ish size, as well as a smaller smartphone-sized one, and finally a large one, like ~15 inches.

Two words: production costs. E-books and e-readers need to be popular before this can be a thing. Or huge, risk-taking investments need to occur. Which is unlikely.

Re: E-Book Sales Slip, and Print Is Far from Dead

#95
post #15

I hope this isn't the trend going forward. I don't get the traditionalist love of paperback books most of the time. Like the sort of people who go on and on about exploring book stores or the smell of new paper. I love my Kindle and I really hope to be able to use it as my primary reading source, its just so convenient, light, portable and unobtrusive (especially with that newer back-light option). But the price of n…

I think you will miss book stores when they are gone?

Personally, I really like going to new/used book stores.

"I love a comic book as paperback, but that is because I don't think tablets or even color e-ink has quite gotten there yet."

I love comic/rare books too. I like the dust covers. I like the authors signature on the title page, if I'm lucky enough to get the signature. I like finding a first edition. I like seeing the original price. I hunt for these books. I have a feeling you appreciate physical copies more than you think?

As to technical material, I'm with you, I just want to know/digest the information.

Re: E-Book Sales Slip, and Print Is Far from Dead

#96
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> My dad can give me a book he read in college, just grab it off the shelf. I can go buy books extremely cheaply secondhand, sometimes free. I can't imagine paying $10 for an ebook when I can go to a used bookstore and pay $3, and then I own it forever. Additionally, once I own it I can share it, give it away, write in the margins, dog-ear pages, leave post-it notes, etc. I also can't imagine a world where 20 years l…

Why do people keep bringing up blockchains whenever they want to talk about generic digital ownership transfers where they don't really provide any benefit... It's the new "cloud", I swear.

It's not on a whim; I've actually thought for a while now that "non-partisan IP license store" is the perfect use-case for a blockchain—one much more fitting a blockchain's particular system of incentives than the exchange of monetary tokens.

An account for holding IP licenses is, at minimum, just a bag of arbitrary tokens (UUIDs, say) signed by IP owners. To make them useful, the tokens might be, say, SHAs of files they are considered licenses to.

The files themselves don't have to be attached to the system anywhere; in fact, the files don't even have to be available from the IP owners. Holding such a token effectively says "I, the IP owner, promise not to sue you for having a copy of this file on your hard drive."

All the files themselves could be available on BitTorrent or whatever else—the tokens might-as-well-be scrips to participate in decriminalized piracy, much as doctor's notes allow one to participate in decriminalized marijuana consumption. But you can imagine an ecosystem of clients (or maybe OS-level features) that can collate licenses to IP-holder CDNs to get those files, maybe transmitting a zero-knowledge proof of the possession of the license to the CDN server in exchange for the file; and will remove shell-level access to the file when the license is removed from the store. (The file could be retained in an OS-protected cache and such in case the user regains a license to it; it just has to be made inaccessible to the user.)

Now, consider the current products and services that a complete implementation of this sort of system would displace: any App Store (Apple's) or Game Store (e.g. Steam), any Music or Video store, potentially most streaming services, etc. A proper implementation would make "having content available to access" just an OS-built-in transparent side-effect of having the proper licenses. Tons and tons of middle-men would be put out.

So, imagine building this thing in any way that's even slightly centralized. Imagine, just as a slight step away from a blockchain, that this was a Ripple/Stellar type thing: a set of ledgers extended such that each ledger account can hold a bag of bitstrings, rather than a bag of {currency_code, amount} pairs.

Wouldn't it be in this service's interest to gain adoption by partnering with these IP middle-men? They'd say "let's get Valve to make it so that people's Steam games are listed in here, and then people can just move the licenses around using our wallet app! Win-win!"

The potential partners, afraid of being displaced and commoditized, would go along, but at the same time, try to take control of the system. They would want the technology provider to allow them to impose business restrictions on how and when users could transfer things, or even charge a cost payable to the partner for doing so.

The result wouldn't be a distributed zero-trust ledger of IP licenses at all; it'd just be a meta-store interface, with each store able to enforce its own policies on its licenses.

Now, you could posit that there's some perfect organization (maybe the FSF? GNU Taler is a thing) that wouldn't fall for these tricks, even as its network absolutely fails to gain traction because nobody wants to be displaced by it.

But it's much easier to just solve the problem by not having an organization running the network at all, so that there's "nobody there" to decide to partner with the IP owners or the current middle-men. Take the decision away; turn off the incentive structure. Just make it a blockchain.

(The other convenient thing about such a structure being a blockchain, though, is the scaling story. A company like Stellar builds out a network and then has to pay to run its network until people start to join and peer with it and overwhelm the seed nodes; if Stellar were to run out of runway at any point, it would almost certainly be at the start, the costs of maintaining the seed network draining them dry before adoption picks up. A completely distributed ledger is initially run by idealist hobbyists, who will continue to run it without charging it rent each month until such a time as the system gains popularity enough to comprise commercially-run nodes as well. It's like parents taking care of their kids for free; it lets the network grow up until it's ready to support itself.)

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...now, all that being said, yes, you can eliminate the "blockchain" part of this if you flip the problem on its head. If instead of the representation of ownership being the computed ledger account holder of a given token, the tokens themselves are self-describing documents that are signed and re-signed by each party as the token changes hands—then you can store these tokens anywhere: put them in a DHT, stick them in your OS's keychain store, wherever. People can just carry one to another computer via Sneakernet if they like.

This quickly gets into problems with verifying that a license hasn't since been moved or revoked, though, which starts to look like an "ask the IP holder if it still wants you to be holding its license" sort of problem—like CA revocation is today. In fact, the whole system in that case would look like the current infrastructure for code-signing—and that's a problem, because that sort of system privileges IP owners (who can run CRL servers) at the expense of consumers (who can't or won't), making the whole thing just turn back into trusting the IP owner to say who currently owns a thing, and getting the IP owner to perform license transfers on your behalf, and all the rent-extracting problems that those two things generate.

With a blockchain, everybody is up-to-date on who currently owns that thing. You don't have to think about key revocations or expiries; you don't have to worry about stale grants; each machine just computes current ownership after every new block, and if something is now gone from your account, all your devices know it (or know that they're offline and can't trust their database of ownership assertions.)

But, if you have a system for broadcasting those self-describing documents—something that where everybody will be able to synchronize with it and then receive timely updates from it (Usenet, maybe?)—then yes, you get the same properties as a blockchain. But you've also just effectively recreated a blockchain. (And while you're recreating a blockchain, you might want that "proof-of-work" thing in there, too, so that people can't flood your newsgroup-ledger with pointless messages.)

Re: E-Book Sales Slip, and Print Is Far from Dead

#97
post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an ebook consumer, the single biggest reason I don't buy more ebooks is because I have to spend time and energy figuring out if the ebook has DRM or if I can remove the DRM afterwards. Also, I spend time thinking about the fact that if I ever move to Kindle, any epubs I have won't work regardless of DRM. I can't speak for other readers, but this is why I don't buy or read books as much as I used to. And I used to…

> if I ever move to Kindle, any epubs I have won't work regardless of DRM. I've frequently used Calibre ( http://calibre-ebook.com ) to convert epub to mobi. There are also plugins available for it that strip DRM, though I can't vouch for them.

Amazon also supplies KindleGen(http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html?docId=1000765211) to convert epub to mobi

Re: E-Book Sales Slip, and Print Is Far from Dead

#98
I only buy physical books in "collector grade" hardcover form anymore, and those are very few and far between and mainly for display.

It's infinitely more convenient to do 99% of normal reading on an e-reader. The recent surge in ebook pricing from amazon/etc does nothing but drive me to other (cheaper) forms of entertainment/leisure. I'm not spending $25 on an ebook, I don't care if it's by a NY Times Bestselling Author.

$9.99 is comfortably within the "impulse purchase" range and still provides an enormous margin over cost of production/distribution. $20+ is well outside the "impulse purchase" range for an intangible product like an ebook.

Not to mention that a "free" copy is literally 20 seconds and a few clicks away.

Re: E-Book Sales Slip, and Print Is Far from Dead

#99
Could it just be the increased prices publishers forced on Amazon/ebooks? If a hardcover books costs the same as the ebook, I am also tempted to buy the hardcover.

The thinking is that I can sell it once i have read it, but I tend to forget about the hassles associated with physical stuff. The ebook would still be the better choice for me, but human psyche is too easily fooled.

Anyway, I expect that to be just a temporary "victory" for hardcover books.

I also seem to remember William Gibson tweet that the losses in ebook sales are mainly in young readers who can't afford the pricier versions, but I have no source for that.

So maybe both ebook and hardcover will simply lose out to YouTube.

Re: E-Book Sales Slip, and Print Is Far from Dead

#100
post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do people keep bringing up blockchains whenever they want to talk about generic digital ownership transfers where they don't really provide any benefit... It's the new "cloud", I swear.

It's not on a whim; I've actually thought for a while now that "non-partisan IP license store" is the perfect use-case for a blockchain—one much more fitting a blockchain's particular system of incentives than the exchange of monetary tokens. An account for holding IP licenses is, at minimum, just a bag of arbitrary tokens (UUIDs, say) signed by IP owners. To make them useful, the tokens might be, say, SHAs of files…

Actually the biggest problem in building marketplaces of any form - is getting enough users and service providers. The fact that a providers(publisher) cannot enforce their policies would make this problem much worse.
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