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Unexpected Thoughts Regarding Classical Music

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Re: Unexpected Thoughts Regarding Classical Music

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Something that strikes me - whenever I've seen pieces like this before, they often seem to ignore that people still write classical music. It's nearly always Mozart, Beethoven, Bach but no mention of any modern or contemporary composers... I wonder why that is. Sure some contemporary classical music is a bit more esoteric and even less likely to appeal to the average listener, but it's certainly not all like that. Ma…

This phenomenon is similar to the class of posts that say "why [business] is like [poker]" etc. A vast majority of these posts are by people with amateur-at-best experience with the comparison topic. This article is no exception.

Re: Unexpected Thoughts Regarding Classical Music

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post #8

Something that strikes me - whenever I've seen pieces like this before, they often seem to ignore that people still write classical music. It's nearly always Mozart, Beethoven, Bach but no mention of any modern or contemporary composers... I wonder why that is. Sure some contemporary classical music is a bit more esoteric and even less likely to appeal to the average listener, but it's certainly not all like that. Ma…

In the 20th century, classical music went a lot of interesting ways. A lot of the really innovative composers were focusing on dissonance and atonality — Bartók, Stostakovich, Varèse, Stravinsky. With that, there starts to be a challenge to find music that grasps you instantly. I tend to find that once I figure out something about a composer, his works start making sense to be, but before then it frequently sounds like noise.

When I think about modern composed music, my utterly-amateur mind goes in three directions — jazz, minimalism, and scores. There's a lot of interesting music being made for movies — do the scores of Jaws and Indiana Jones or Sweeney Todd and Phantom of the Opera count as classical music? Certainly musically there are certain things in common. Jazz, meanwhile, is an absolute paradise of talented musicians and musical experimentation. Charles Mingus comes to mind, as does John Zorn as a more modern composer.

The only movement I'm really aware of in modern classical music that has a distinct classical taste is that of minimalism. Philip Glass is an obvious first name, but then Steve Reich, Terry Riley, and La Monte Young were all composers whose music emphasized certain kinds of repetition. But when you begin listening to them, you realize how diverse each one is and how it's almost silly to group them together. Riley's music tends toward electronica and unpredictability, Glass eschews the term altogether, and Young's music tends towards categories like "drone", at which point you're talking a genre that includes a lot of rock music, also. Then you look at how Riley influenced bands like the Who (who named a song after him) and how La Monte Young worked with John Cale of the Velvet Underground, and it starts looking like that branch of classical music got submerged in avante garde rock.

But that's all the perspective of somebody who admittedly knows less than he wants to. If the classical music scene is different than that, it's done a damn good job of hiding it: I've found no other category of music that might help me understand what's going on today (and I'd appreciate the helping hand of any user who knows more).

Re: Unexpected Thoughts Regarding Classical Music

#13
post #8

Something that strikes me - whenever I've seen pieces like this before, they often seem to ignore that people still write classical music. It's nearly always Mozart, Beethoven, Bach but no mention of any modern or contemporary composers... I wonder why that is. Sure some contemporary classical music is a bit more esoteric and even less likely to appeal to the average listener, but it's certainly not all like that. Ma…

This phenomenon is similar to the class of posts that say "why [business] is like [poker]" etc. A vast majority of these posts are by people with amateur-at-best experience with the comparison topic. This article is no exception.

And admittedly so.

Re: Unexpected Thoughts Regarding Classical Music

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The author does not have a place for comments on his blog ... so I will use this space to suggest that: 1. anyone interested classical music should use Pandora.com to find out what they like: I ended up with a lot of Telemann and Corelli as performed by Manze and Egarr 2. if you have space in your apartment/house, go on Craigslist and get a decent set of speakers and a CD player and tuner/amp. Listening to classical…

I never thought to use Pandora for classical music! Upvote for a marvelous suggestion.

Re: Unexpected Thoughts Regarding Classical Music

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post #4

The reason classical music is less popular among the masses is not that it does not appeal to emotions - a lot of people would argue with that. Half of the story is indeed in the conservative nature of it (my father is a musician and I know how he goes about interpretation of classical compositions, stage appearance and all these rules). But there's also another half of the story which is simply lack of education in…

another half of the story which is simply lack of education in listeners. A lot of people just don't have the wherewithal to appreciate melodic music. Melody just escapes them. They want chords and riffs to wash over them while moving with a strong beat. The kind of lyric dance implied by other musical forms escapes them, and they have no hope of appreciating anything that wasn't once based on some kind of dance. Wha…

That's an utterly biased and thoroughly wrong accusation. Name one of those songs lacking melody and I'll point out exactly what line could get stuck in my head. Even songs that use chords as a hook don't get the entire chord stuck: There's a single line that catches you.

The real problem is a little bit more complex: We instinctively set up divides between us and things we don't know, so that we may more readily dismiss them. I'm actually in the middle of writing a New Year's post about that now.

Re: Unexpected Thoughts Regarding Classical Music

#16
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

another half of the story which is simply lack of education in listeners. A lot of people just don't have the wherewithal to appreciate melodic music. Melody just escapes them. They want chords and riffs to wash over them while moving with a strong beat. The kind of lyric dance implied by other musical forms escapes them, and they have no hope of appreciating anything that wasn't once based on some kind of dance. Wha…

I use headphones because the only time when I can spend some conscious time listening to music (not just filtering it with my ears) is when I'm taking a 30 min walk to the gym and then 30 min back. I realize, it's a trade off though, but don't be so hard on that.

I'm not being hard on headphones per se, but on killing one's high-frequency hearing by blasting loud electronic music into your skull. If you are truly an active listener, then you are probably not one of those people.

Re: Unexpected Thoughts Regarding Classical Music

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post #4

The reason classical music is less popular among the masses is not that it does not appeal to emotions - a lot of people would argue with that. Half of the story is indeed in the conservative nature of it (my father is a musician and I know how he goes about interpretation of classical compositions, stage appearance and all these rules). But there's also another half of the story which is simply lack of education in…

The reason classical music is less popular among the masses is not that it does not appeal to emotions - a lot of people would argue with that.

I'm curious if you'd say that about Romantic music, which tried explicitly to evoke an emotional response in the listener.

Re: Unexpected Thoughts Regarding Classical Music

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This phenomenon is similar to the class of posts that say "why [business] is like [poker]" etc. A vast majority of these posts are by people with amateur-at-best experience with the comparison topic. This article is no exception.

And admittedly so.

It's hard to imagine it playing out otherwise -- you need to start somewhere, and that stuff is:

a) more familiar to the ear

b) more plentifully recorded

c) more widely discussed and recommended etc.

Re: Unexpected Thoughts Regarding Classical Music

#19
post #14

The author does not have a place for comments on his blog ... so I will use this space to suggest that: 1. anyone interested classical music should use Pandora.com to find out what they like: I ended up with a lot of Telemann and Corelli as performed by Manze and Egarr 2. if you have space in your apartment/house, go on Craigslist and get a decent set of speakers and a CD player and tuner/amp. Listening to classical…

I never thought to use Pandora for classical music! Upvote for a marvelous suggestion.

It took Pandora a long time to get classical music into their system because they weren't sure how to classify individual pieces. I mean, once you have a dozen versions of the same song by different orchestras with different conductors, the "What's your favorite song?" interface kind of breaks down.

Re: Unexpected Thoughts Regarding Classical Music

#20
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

another half of the story which is simply lack of education in listeners. A lot of people just don't have the wherewithal to appreciate melodic music. Melody just escapes them. They want chords and riffs to wash over them while moving with a strong beat. The kind of lyric dance implied by other musical forms escapes them, and they have no hope of appreciating anything that wasn't once based on some kind of dance. Wha…

That's an utterly biased and thoroughly wrong accusation. Name one of those songs lacking melody and I'll point out exactly what line could get stuck in my head. Even songs that use chords as a hook don't get the entire chord stuck: There's a single line that catches you. The real problem is a little bit more complex: We instinctively set up divides between us and things we don't know, so that we may more readily dis…

That's an utterly biased and thoroughly wrong accusation.

I think not. If you are one of those people who can relate to snippets of melody, then you are, by definition, not one of those people devoid of melodic perception. Or, are you assuming that your particular perceptions represent the entire spectrum of listeners of electronic music. I doubt that's warranted.

What you do is fundamental to the human experience -- having a bit of music stuck in one's head. Most of us are born with some ability like this. There are entire musical traditions where this facility has been expanded and developed to a very high degree, however. I can pay something like 350 distinct tunes from memory off the top of my head, well enough to perform in front of a festival crowd. I probably have the "stuck in my head" impression of another 700 or so tunes. I am not a prodigious talent in this way, however. I know of traditional musicians who know something like 10,000 tunes, and 2 or 3 distinct versions of many of those.

I posit that musicians like that have a better appreciation of melody than I do. Their brains are very good at processing that kind of information, and have processed much more of it. I also suspect that I have a slightly more developed sense of melody than someone who can recall some catchy hooks.

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