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Announcing Meteor 1.2 – ES2015, Angular, React, and More

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Re: Announcing Meteor 1.2 – ES2015, Angular, React, and More

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Post by erokar »

stanleydrew wrote: post #25

For those with experience integrating Meteor with Angular, can you describe the benefits and tradeoffs? Been looking to supplement or replace Angular's $resource with something a little higher-level on CRUD-heavy applications. Is Meteor a reasonable choice, or am I misunderstanding it's core value proposition?

I haven't tried using Angular with Meteor, but I know both pretty well. I would recommend trying Meteor with just Blaze (its rendering engine) before adding Angular. Maybe it's enough and you don't need Angular's added complexity.

Re: Announcing Meteor 1.2 – ES2015, Angular, React, and More

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Post by stanleydrew »

erokar wrote: post #41
stanleydrew wrote: post #25

For those with experience integrating Meteor with Angular, can you describe the benefits and tradeoffs? Been looking to supplement or replace Angular's $resource with something a little higher-level on CRUD-heavy applications. Is Meteor a reasonable choice, or am I misunderstanding it's core value proposition?

I haven't tried using Angular with Meteor, but I know both pretty well. I would recommend trying Meteor with just Blaze (its rendering engine) before adding Angular. Maybe it's enough and you don't need Angular's added complexity.

Will definitely try that with a new project. Sounds like you wouldn't recommend trying to hack Meteor into an existing Angular project?

Re: Announcing Meteor 1.2 – ES2015, Angular, React, and More

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Post by drew-y »

drew-y wrote: post #35

Does this release include support for ES2015 modules? Edit: >Meteor 1.2 will be the first step in making that seamless development experience: we're adding support for all its features except for modules Oops. Didn't see that. This is a bit of a bummer. It'd be great to use ES2015 modules in Meteor packages. I hope there is plans to support them in the near future

Looks like they are!

>Eventually, Meteor wants to transition to ES2015 modules for everything

https://github.com/meteor/meteor/blob/303052be68128ce9026bc2...

Re: Announcing Meteor 1.2 – ES2015, Angular, React, and More

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Post by JaakkoP »

djmashko2 wrote: post #22
JaakkoP wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same experience here as well. I don't think either that Meteor is going to become de facto platform for all web development, but it's definitely going to be one of the main ones along with Angular, React and Rails.

I'm curious - do you think there is room for someone to come along with the right combination of stuff to become the "de facto platform for all web development"? It's interesting also that people always talk about Rails but don't mention JSP and .NET, which I think are actually a lot more popular last time I looked around. I guess it depends on who you ask. I feel like JavaScript is in a sweet spot right now because…

Good question. I think Meteor is certainly the closest of such platform at the moment, but you don't have to go far to find a developer who really hates JavaScript and will never switch over. Such hate may or may not be justified, but you won't easily change their minds. At the same time, there are people - including me - who only develop with JS with no real need to switch over to something else.

I wish I had a more educated answer (guess?), since this is all just anecdata.

Re: Announcing Meteor 1.2 – ES2015, Angular, React, and More

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Post by JaakkoP »

sotojuan wrote: post #34
djmashko2 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious - do you think there is room for someone to come along with the right combination of stuff to become the "de facto platform for all web development"? It's interesting also that people always talk about Rails but don't mention JSP and .NET, which I think are actually a lot more popular last time I looked around. I guess it depends on who you ask. I feel like JavaScript is in a sweet spot right now because…

I honestly think that with some good marketing, Meteor can be on top when they get SQL support.

That's a good point. While I love Mongo, a lot of developers won't even consider Meteor since it has only NoSQL support.

Re: Announcing Meteor 1.2 – ES2015, Angular, React, and More

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Post by akbar501 »

thesunny wrote: post #28
sergiotapia wrote: post #13

I'm blown away by Meteor. Using Meteor and React is just buttery smooth. More and more companies are using React now in the startup space, and it's one of the most popular services on StackShare: http://stackshare.io/meteor React integration is a first-class citizen: http://sergiotapia.me/2015/09/18/react-and-meteor-match-made... No weird hacks, lib includes and other nonsense you shouldn't really care about. And you…

Meteor+React is surprisingly good at what it does. I'd highly recommend this new project for Meteor+React+Webpack: https://github.com/thereactivestack/meteor-webpack-react-kic... The only thing that I really disliked in Meteor was the reload/refresh for larger projects. This is typically a problem with anything Node related and refresh/reload times were around 10 seconds at its worst. With the Webpack+React+Webpack,…

Are you seeing 10 second rebuilds with incremental builds? Or is this 10 seconds for a complete rebuild?

Re: Announcing Meteor 1.2 – ES2015, Angular, React, and More

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Post by findjashua »

sergiotapia wrote: post #13

I'm blown away by Meteor. Using Meteor and React is just buttery smooth. More and more companies are using React now in the startup space, and it's one of the most popular services on StackShare: http://stackshare.io/meteor React integration is a first-class citizen: http://sergiotapia.me/2015/09/18/react-and-meteor-match-made... No weird hacks, lib includes and other nonsense you shouldn't really care about. And you…

how is it compared to relay+graphql?

Re: Announcing Meteor 1.2 – ES2015, Angular, React, and More

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Post by hn_user2 »

daveroberts wrote: post #30
arturadib wrote: post #2

I've been using Meteor for months. It's such a pleasure to work with. It's what Rails should've been if it was written today. They just keep on delivering on out-of-the-box functionality, compatibility with 3rd party libs, and more importantly - on a very solid architecture for real-time transport by guys who really know what they're doing. Kudos everyone.

How often do you use npm packages which are not part of atmosphere? I remember this not working great. Have things changed?

Works great. Just isn't part of core. Meteor core is stubbornly trying to force use of atmosphere for everything. But everyine I know immediately installs https://github.com/meteorhacks/npm which allows for using regular npm packages.

I think inevitably the meteor team will bring this into core, or something similar, and we will be able to have our mix of atmosphere and non libraries.

Re: Announcing Meteor 1.2 – ES2015, Angular, React, and More

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Post by [deleted] »

daveroberts wrote: post #30
arturadib wrote: post #2

I've been using Meteor for months. It's such a pleasure to work with. It's what Rails should've been if it was written today. They just keep on delivering on out-of-the-box functionality, compatibility with 3rd party libs, and more importantly - on a very solid architecture for real-time transport by guys who really know what they're doing. Kudos everyone.

How often do you use npm packages which are not part of atmosphere? I remember this not working great. Have things changed?

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Re: Announcing Meteor 1.2 – ES2015, Angular, React, and More

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Post by erokar »

stanleydrew wrote: post #42
erokar wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven't tried using Angular with Meteor, but I know both pretty well. I would recommend trying Meteor with just Blaze (its rendering engine) before adding Angular. Maybe it's enough and you don't need Angular's added complexity.

Will definitely try that with a new project. Sounds like you wouldn't recommend trying to hack Meteor into an existing Angular project?

The latest version of Meteor actually comes with support for Angular and React — so if you want it, it shouldn't be too hard to add. Personally, I guess I've grown a bit disenchanted with Angular lately. It makes some things easy, but I think it adds unnecessary complexity. I'm inclined to look for simpler, more functional/stateless solutions these days.
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