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Groupon Is Laying Off 1,100, Shutters Operations in 7 Countries

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Re: Groupon Is Laying Off 1,100, Shutters Operations in 7 Countries

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Looks like businesses have collectively realised that groupon is a miserable deal and it's finally caught up with them, after having been running on fumes [1] for a couple years now. [1] http://blog.bodellconsulting.com/2013/03/01/groupon-a-bad-de...

Isn't this kind of thing beneficial if run with more reasonable margins and a subscription model for customers? Basically, the customer subscribes to the service and gets discounted meals at the cost of not being able to choose the restaurant himself. Restaurants can use the service whenever they expect to have empty tables, allowing to still profit for them, but with a reduced profit margin. I'm not sure if it works…

> Restaurants can use the service whenever they expect to have empty tables, allowing to still profit for them, but with a reduced profit margin.

Businesses receive 20-25% of retail price when they take a groupon deal, so you'd need a profit margin >75% to even entertain that idea. Also it cannibalises some of your existing customers, converting your 75%+ profit margin customers into near zero or loss customers. I'd leave the tables empty.

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I'll be honest, I know Groupon and its ilk are terrible business, but as a user of the service I've had lots of fun exploring activities and restaurants that I literally would never have bothered with or known about. In the last few weeks I've taken a Scuba lesson, a Horse Riding lesson, an intro to art class, found a couple new amazing sandwich shops. I took an amazing trip to Ireland for something like 50% off the…

It matters who the "good deal" is a good deal for.

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Anyone getting their emails has known it was coming for a long time. They used up all the good places pretty quickly - they got the return customers and didn't need to re-run coupons. Now it's all weight loss scams, online courses "worth" $2k but sold for $20, and even sex toys lately.

Exactly this. It stopped being a good way to discover local places you may not have heard of and instead became a way to shove cheaply mass produced junk or freely mass produced digital junk in to eveyone's mailbox.

Re: Groupon Is Laying Off 1,100, Shutters Operations in 7 Countries

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Groupon was a deliberately calculated scam once it started getting huge investment though. Investors are always willing to burn the long term (the public) if they can pop the short term (themselves).

If it was a scam they would have cashed out at the top.

The core group always gets to ignore the lockup period, so they do cash out at the top.

"Early insiders are still fine, of course. Groupon co-founder Eric Lefkofsky and his affiliated entities took nearly $400 million off the table well before the IPO." from https://venturebeat.com/2012/06/01/groupon-investors-race-fo...

"The IPO produced billion-dollar windfalls for Mason, Lefkofsky and other early funders, and millions in fees for the Wall Street banks that took it public." from http://business.time.com/2012/04/05/groupon-faces-sec-probe-...

Re: Groupon Is Laying Off 1,100, Shutters Operations in 7 Countries

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This article doesn't tell the whole story. As a user of Groupon Panama, I can tell you that they face stiff competition here from a Groupon clone, ofertasimple. I think they're exiting because it was a small market to begin with and they haven't been able to win it. Many people, including myself, find the competing service superior.

Re: Groupon Is Laying Off 1,100, Shutters Operations in 7 Countries

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Groupon was a deliberately calculated scam once it started getting huge investment though. Investors are always willing to burn the long term (the public) if they can pop the short term (themselves).

If it was a scam they would have cashed out at the top.

Well, they basically did.

"Altogether, $946.8 million, or roughly 86% of the funds raised across the three investments, was paid out to Groupon directors, officers and stockholders. Just $151.4 million was retained by the company to use as working capital and for general corporate purposes."

June 2011 - http://mashable.com/2011/06/02/groupon-cash-out/#AoBOlTTNEqk...

Re: Groupon Is Laying Off 1,100, Shutters Operations in 7 Countries

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Have any of the groupon competitors reached critical mass? I realize that a large number of "me-too" competitors were started when Groupon exploded, but it seems to me a "groupon that doesn't suck" could be a pretty good business.

In Denmark we have http://downtown.dk, they managed to get traction here before Groupon, so they have had most of the market, however it seems like Groupon have been eating parts of their business recently.

As an aside Groupon seems to be 100% https, where downtown is only partly https :(

Re: Groupon Is Laying Off 1,100, Shutters Operations in 7 Countries

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I'll be honest, I know Groupon and its ilk are terrible business, but as a user of the service I've had lots of fun exploring activities and restaurants that I literally would never have bothered with or known about. In the last few weeks I've taken a Scuba lesson, a Horse Riding lesson, an intro to art class, found a couple new amazing sandwich shops. I took an amazing trip to Ireland for something like 50% off the…

Lots of things might be great for consumers, but for businesses it just doesn't make sense. Besides what I've read, I've heard from business owners/clients who try "group" discount services, but walk away feeling that it did little to help their customer growth long term. Would you be willing to pay more for those same experiences?

I agree. Personally, I'm not sure my retention on things I've tried has been great for the businesses doing the offering. Things seem to end up a few different ways:

1) I love what they're offering, but I want to do their thing somewhere else, so another business gets the benefit.

2) I don't like what they're offering, oh well, gave it a try

3) I like what they're offering and they're in the right place for me to continue doing business with them

#1 is the hardest for businesses, and I admit to engaging in a fair amount of "Groupon tourism", where I'll go a little out of my way to try something just because I got it for cheap on Groupon.

For #2, sometimes there's a reason why places aren't doing well and turn to Groupon to try to boost sales, sometimes it's just a bad fit for me as a consumer. For example, I just used a Groupon for a local new Mexican place in my area. Turns out the reason their gorgeous restaurant is mostly empty is because the food sucks. There's a Mexican place down the road from them with low budget hand-made booths that's exploding with customers, the difference is that their food is good.

I'd say I probably stick with less than 10% of the new places I find through Groupon. I'd probably be willing to pay more to try new things...but not a whole lot more. As a consumer I have to change my basic behavior patterns and maybe travel out of my way to try something new, I feel like I'm meeting the place halfway. Sometimes I have to travel someplace I've never been before, and after getting there I'll know if it's reasonable to continue coming out there. The horse lesson I took I enjoyed, but it's also an hour of hard driving to get there, while I live right on the edge of plentiful horse country. Now I know I had fun taking a lesson, I might give a go at one of the local places, but I'll probably not return to the place I used the Groupon with.

There's also places, like a zipline center I Grouponed at. It was cool, I'll return. But it's not like it's an every week kind of place. So I think businesses also have to consider their model. I wouldn't have tried it without the Groupon, but it acted more like an advertisement would.

I also went to a high-speed gokart center on a Groupon. Turns out they already have lots of business, but it's all dedicated racers who knew what they were doing. When I went there I had to sit through a half hour of safety training videos, and when I got on the track it was terrifying because everybody else was hardcore and very aggressive. It could have been fun if everybody wasn't taking it so seriously, or they bundled all the Grouponers into a beginner league or something. So I don't think it worked as an expansion of their basic business.

I think business issues with Groupon are more complicated than people give credit for.

Re: Groupon Is Laying Off 1,100, Shutters Operations in 7 Countries

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it was a scam they would have cashed out at the top.

Well, they basically did. "Altogether, $946.8 million, or roughly 86% of the funds raised across the three investments, was paid out to Groupon directors, officers and stockholders. Just $151.4 million was retained by the company to use as working capital and for general corporate purposes." June 2011 - http://mashable.com/2011/06/02/groupon-cash-out/#AoBOlTTNEqk...

That was an amazingly effective scam, and nobody putting into those F and G rounds said boo. Just mind-blowing.
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