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Re: Oyster is shutting down

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post #38

Can someone explain the math here? 2012 they received 3M in seed funding. 2014 they received 14M USD. The picture on that boat shows 26 (?) people. So let's assume 26 people were always in the company just for kicks. Between 2012 October and 2015 September they ran out of 17M USD. That's a burn rate of 5.67M USD per year. For 26 employees, if we stupidly assumed no other costs, that nearly 218k USD salary per year. O…

I'm pretty sure I saw them around in 2011 so I don't understand why report wrong age of the company here? Note they did a seed round of $3 million in 2012.

Apologies if I did make a mistake: From recode's article:

> In a blog post on Monday, Oyster’s founders said they were “taking steps to sunset” the company’s service, which launched in 2012.

Other data like crunchbase pointed to 2012 too.

http://recode.net/2015/09/21/oyster-books-shuts-down-team-he...

Re: Oyster is shutting down

#52
I have never heard of this product until it became discontinued - which sucks.

To me the statement reads like an adult explaining the horrors of war to a 5 year old who glorified war without knowing the reality. Was it really necessary to wrap a simple notice of closure/costumer apology up in such an overly tame and submissive manner?

Why not something concise:

"We sincerely apologize to our loyal customers, and potential future customers that within x amount of time product y will be discontinued for various reasons, which we are currently not at liberty of discussing in a public forum. Thank you very much for your patronage and support. Foremost we are ensuring that our existing customers receive the most professional and respectful treatment.

Sincerely - company z team."

Less bullshit, more realshit.

Re: Oyster is shutting down

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post #43
post #38

Can someone explain the math here? 2012 they received 3M in seed funding. 2014 they received 14M USD. The picture on that boat shows 26 (?) people. So let's assume 26 people were always in the company just for kicks. Between 2012 October and 2015 September they ran out of 17M USD. That's a burn rate of 5.67M USD per year. For 26 employees, if we stupidly assumed no other costs, that nearly 218k USD salary per year. O…

Wages are at most 70% of the cost of an employee to a business, and possibly as low as 50% of the fully burdened cost. For an employee to gross $100k on their paystub (before their own taxes), a competitive employer in NYC is likely paying a full burden (with payroll taxes, insurance, other benefits, admin overhead, office space, and supplies) not too far from $218k.

Wow. That's amazing. I genuinely had no idea that the costs of running could be that high. Thanks for sharing that info. It boggles my mind as to how much money startups probably need just to stay break even.

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#54
post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kindle Unlimited has a killer feature Oyster never had -- Kindles. Reading books on phones is awful. Reading them on Kindles is the closest screens can come to reading on books.

"Kindle Unlimited has a killer feature Oyster never had -- Kindles." That, and an enormous selection. "Reading books on phones is awful." It depends on the phone. Many people are perfectly happy reading for hours on a phone screen, particularly if they can choose the foreground/background colours (e.g. white on black for someone with an AMOLED screen). "Reading them on Kindles is the closest screens can come to readi…

> It depends on the phone.

I think it depends on the person more than the phone. I've used many different smartphones and tablets, not one of them is comfortable for reading a book-length text on. I know there are people who disagree. But everyone who doesn't disagree isn't a customer for Oyster.

Re: Oyster is shutting down

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post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Non competes are unenforceable in California.

I know, it is a shock, but tech companies are allowed to exist outside of California. Case in point: "© 2015 OYSTER - BUILT IN NEW YORK"

Assuming that the employees ever signed a Non Compete.

Google has no onus to be fair to Oyster's investors.

And let's be honest, if you become a challenge to the company to keep around, they'll have little loyalty to you. Why should the reverse be true? (usually)

Re: Oyster is shutting down

#56
post #38

Can someone explain the math here? 2012 they received 3M in seed funding. 2014 they received 14M USD. The picture on that boat shows 26 (?) people. So let's assume 26 people were always in the company just for kicks. Between 2012 October and 2015 September they ran out of 17M USD. That's a burn rate of 5.67M USD per year. For 26 employees, if we stupidly assumed no other costs, that nearly 218k USD salary per year. O…

Are you sure they ran out of cash? I haven't read that anywhere. It's possible they found the problem intractable and decided to return the remaining investor cash.

Fair point. Was going by the numbers of 3M USD seed round in 2012, and 17M in 2014. Without much major press and valuations being made public, it's kind of safe to assume that the 3M USD was burning out by the end of 2013. 14M from 2013 to 2015 would be 7M per year. Assuming rising costs from both running the business, 5M and 9M across two years seems plausible.

Given the number of employees in the company (26), 3 co founders, who form half of a 6 C-level team, it's likely that the team size increased along that curve as well (3M, 5M, 9M). This is entirely speculation at this point.

But after some further reading, it's possible that their business model may have just been not profitable. For each reader who read more than 10% of a book, the full retail price of the book is paid out to publishers. For people reading 3-4 books a month, they would be making a loss from those customers.

If you aren't the sort that reads 3-4 books a month, then you are also probably not the kind of person who spends a 10 USD subscription service to an 'all-you-can-read' ebook service. Therefore the larger base of customers there were probably loss makers. So assuming a growing customer base made up of loss makers it's entirely likely that they burnt out funds. Now that the running costs of a business in general were clarified in a reply above it actually makes sense that the money could have run out.

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#58

I never understood Oyster business model. My 81 year old father figured out years ago how to connect is Kindle to his local public library. He literally checks out nearly any book, all FOR FREE and reads it on his kindle. Maybe this is a US centric thing and Oyster was targeting international users. But local libraries have been offering this service of digitally checking out books (even current books) for free for n…

I'm lucky to live in a county with a good library system that supports this model, but what about the rest of the country? Are they all served as well as me?

$10/mo doesn't seem too outrageous if you have no other alternatives. If you are a heavy reader then this makes sense vs. buying from Amazon or another retailer.

I suppose it comes down to strength of library - for $10/mo, can you match other book seller's content? I took a look for a few books I've been reading recently - it seems about a 50% match. Personally, not for me.

Re: Oyster is shutting down

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I never understood Oyster business model. My 81 year old father figured out years ago how to connect is Kindle to his local public library. He literally checks out nearly any book, all FOR FREE and reads it on his kindle. Maybe this is a US centric thing and Oyster was targeting international users. But local libraries have been offering this service of digitally checking out books (even current books) for free for n…

> My 81 year old father figured out years ago how to connect is Kindle to his local public library.

I am a full time professional software developer and I do a lot of technology things on the side and have a technology side business. It took me forever to connect a kindle to my library, and when I did, most of the books I wanted weren't available.

Re: Oyster is shutting down

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post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kindle Unlimited has a killer feature Oyster never had -- Kindles. Reading books on phones is awful. Reading them on Kindles is the closest screens can come to reading on books.

"Kindle Unlimited has a killer feature Oyster never had -- Kindles." That, and an enormous selection. "Reading books on phones is awful." It depends on the phone. Many people are perfectly happy reading for hours on a phone screen, particularly if they can choose the foreground/background colours (e.g. white on black for someone with an AMOLED screen). "Reading them on Kindles is the closest screens can come to readi…

I pay for Kindle Unlimited and can say first-hand that it has a terrible selection of mostly self-published and second rate books. Kindle itself of course has the best selection, but that's on a pay-per-book model.

The brilliant thing about Oyster was that they have so much first rate material in their "unlimited" model. There are plenty of arguments to be made about how many books you can read a month etc., but those arguments miss the point. Oyster opened a whole new browsing mindset where you could see a book cover, open it immediately and essentially flip through the book reading bits here and there and re-visit it later if it piqued your interest enough. It's unlike the library where, even in digital libraries, there are queues and "holds" and checkout limits. It's unlike Kindle where you have to commit by actually buying every book which becomes prohibitively expensive if you're just browsing, or Kindle Unlimited where the selection is, as I previously mentioned, dismal. It's hard to imagine until you've used it, but having been an Oyster subscriber for a couple years, I can say it's a shift in the way I think about books.

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