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In 2010 China will become the world’s second-largest economy

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I'm extremely worried about China's real estate bubble. Chinese labourers are working their asses off, while factory owners crop most of the profit. These money is pours into real estate market. Today an apartment is worth 30X anual income of an average worker(my estimation). Hope when I finish grad school in US and go back, I don't have to pay this much.

Not until China relaxes its exchange controls. As long as the RMB can't get out of the country to investments offering higher return, there's nowhere else for it to go.

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We're still trying to grow YC within the US before we think about expanding to other countries. We're still learning.

I would apply to yc china if it existed. I would also be extremely interested in helping set up yc china if given the opportunity.

YC China may not, but Innovation Works (http://en.innovation-works.com/) does. It's a slightly different model than YC (more of an incubator), but it's as close as you'll come.

Its claim to fame is that it was founded by KaiFu Lee, founder of MSRA and Google China. He's pretty much the Bill Gates of China.

On the first day of applications, they had something crazy like 30,000 resumes for 30 slots. So I'd say it's slightly competitive :)

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So... when does YC China launch? :-)

We're still trying to grow YC within the US before we think about expanding to other countries. We're still learning.

Do you feel it's likely for developing nations to spur homegrown incubators or is it too early?

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So... when does YC China launch? :-)

We're still trying to grow YC within the US before we think about expanding to other countries. We're still learning.

I think it'd be great if YC can go to China. The growing economy and market, the huge talent tool, super low cost of labors and office. It works very well with YC philosophy.

One downside is Chinese government's tight control on internet.

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In the USA, a (somewhat) free country where open debate and some level of government transparency is maintained, the "official" government numbers are 10% unemployment.

Actual unemployment is closer to 22% (according to shadowstats.com, using the pre-Clinton Administration formula).

Aside from this article referencing their own "Economist Intelligence Unit" - how do we know the numbers are not similarly fudged by the Chinese government? Are there not billions of dollars of loans marked as "good" on state-run banks that are in fact, never going to be repaid?

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We're still trying to grow YC within the US before we think about expanding to other countries. We're still learning.

I think it'd be great if YC can go to China. The growing economy and market, the huge talent tool, super low cost of labors and office. It works very well with YC philosophy. One downside is Chinese government's tight control on internet.

The downside you mention becomes a central issue these days. The recent launched cntv.cn is a good example when the national TV in China attempt to take a big share from Internet VOD business (hulu model). To launch the site, they first use their popularity to fire bullets on other video sites for reasons such as adult content, copyright content or unauthorized content (every imported video has to be censored or it is illegal in China, the rule actually causes recent trouble in WTO). Under this pressure, many sites are closed.

The argument is, like what China did to its steel/telecom/coal business (FYI, are controlled by the nation itself). It tries to gain control on Internet, not only in management standpoint but actual business (nationalization). A more interesting view is that as most children of China's high level officials are in their 20s. They are likely to do Internet related business. Well, powerful parents bring benefits. It is not bad or unfair and it is understandable worldwide. But using your parents' money and relations to build business is millions light years far from what they do today in China. For example, Li Hehe, the son of Li Zhaoxing (former foreign minister of China) established a SNS website called 99sushe (http://99sushe.com). He actually uses his father's relation to have everyone who attend national English test (known as CET-4, required for college graduation) to register on his site in order to review their scores (http://cet.99sushe.com/). I see it as a classic abuse of their power. Far worse, to my knowledge, it is only a beginning.

YC is a institution which only provides a little money, good atmosphere, relations and access to first tier VC and law firms. Good lawyer, enough money and a brilliant you, that is the only things you need for doing "free" business in open countries (EU or U.S.). But in China, you need to build relations with high level officials. For a UGC site, you have to hire a person to delete contents immediately when the Internet cops phone you. It is just not economical for startup. But unfortunately these are crucial for your business success in China, and these are something YC China (in my imagination) cannot provide.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're still trying to grow YC within the US before we think about expanding to other countries. We're still learning.

I think it'd be great if YC can go to China. The growing economy and market, the huge talent tool, super low cost of labors and office. It works very well with YC philosophy. One downside is Chinese government's tight control on internet.

Nothing about China, other than price, works well with YC.

For one thing, there is an endless supply of obnoxious and moderately expensive government obstacles (I just paid the Beijing tax bureau ~5000 RMB for a receipt-printing machine).

For another thing, entrepreneurship is not well-respected in China like it is in the States. The general attitude is that if you have money, you almost certainly did something illegal to get it.

The big cities in China are not San Francisco. I think YC would be hard-pressed to find the sizable bubble of free-wheeling, free-thinking potential entrepreneurs to which it is accustomed.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're still trying to grow YC within the US before we think about expanding to other countries. We're still learning.

I think it'd be great if YC can go to China. The growing economy and market, the huge talent tool, super low cost of labors and office. It works very well with YC philosophy. One downside is Chinese government's tight control on internet.

I think India is better option because Indian government don't control internet as US. Its growing economy and market, the huge talents and having lots of R&D centers.

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What I find interesting about this is how China is predicted to have almost double the US's GDP by 2050, but GDP per capita tells a different story: US GDP/capita will be double China's in 2050. Then some good debate on whether an authoritarian mixed economy can allocate its GDP more effectively than the US's democratic mixed economy. Which will define the next 40 years? Aggregate or per capita GDP?

one implication of the above is: by 2050 china will be able to spend twice more than the us in military spending, and afford having four times more soldiers/manpower than the US (as costs of personel would be twice lower).

hmmm.... new superpower indeed, in paper at leas

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