This is the sort of evil that Moral Relativism gets you.
U.S. Soldiers Told to Ignore Afghan Allies’ Abuse of Boys
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#62"Afghan soldiers told to ignore American Allies' eating pork" Well, reading this you might think "how can that compare to raping boys? Boys are human beings and human beings have rights, just like you and me? But at the same time a Muslim may consider refusing to eat pork a law by god which is way higher than anything considering humans. The point I try to make is this: In an intercultural environment you need to acc…
I am entirely happy to judge paedophiles and rapists. I'll also judge thieves, racists and murderers.
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#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is literally the stupidest thing I've read on HN in a very long time. Bravo intrepid commenter for declaring the consumption of meat to be worse than the sexual abuse of small children. You've done a disservice to vegans and vegetarians, everywhere.
Don't be rude.
He's not rude, at a guess that's quite restrained (compared to what my version of that comment would be anyway).
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#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
Thanks for giving the reasoning for your downvote. But your argument is exactly the point of view that I already responded to in my initial comment. Not a single line shows that you try to accept that other people follow another moral codex. You say "No, because in my moral codex that's a really bad thing, therefore I can't be tolerant." and that is exactly what Muslims argue if we talk about eating pork, dressing of…
First of all this practice has nothing whatever to do with Islam> This has been pointed out to you several times already and your persistent linking of this practice with that religion is at this point a pretty obviously deliberate slur. Please stop. Secondly, considering whether a practice has unwilling victims is a perfectly reasonable objective measure to apply when evaluating a practice. As a matter of fact, the…
'Has nothing to do with Islam' and the proven numerous cases of Catholic (among others) priests having sex with boys have nothing to do with Christianity either? I'm on the fence on that one though we can agree it's not ordained in either faith.
The injunctions for illegality and immorality you cite for the Muslim world apply equally to those for Christianity of course.
Reading https://info.publicintelligence.net/HTT-PashtunSexuality.pdf there seems to be a problem for men not being allowed to see the face of potential mates; is this custom associated with Islam or not? Catholic priests are not allowed to marry. What are they supposed to do with their sexual impulses. We know the unconvincing answer.
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#65From the good old days of you are going overseas... when not in the field the first rules are , don't stare and shut up. As in, be careful where your about where your eyes are and do not comment without permission.
Simple rules that work for travelers too. There are many cultural issues that don't coincide with Western values and its best to get over any idea our views are superior because you cannot survive with that attitude while in another country.
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#66On HN regularly posters demand the US not to impose their values upon other "cultures". Then again - I don't believe this is part of Afgan culture at all anyway. I think that happens when survival bias due to war and destruction over a long period of time leads to very fucked up people climbing to the top of a society. At the end of the day - or maybe rather at its start - the US is partly responsible for Afghanistan…
Disgustingly, it is a longstanding cultural thing in Afghanistan.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/dancingboys/
Don't let the modernity of 1960s Kabul fool you. I have a teenage student sold into sex slavery in the US. The weak (or in her case, homeless and orphaned) are targeted no matter what the culture. For more moral turpitude, check out Rotherham.
* I work with folks from the US's Office on Trafficking in Persons. It's one of the few programs run by the Department of Health and Human Services that has broad bipartisan support.
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#67On HN regularly posters demand the US not to impose their values upon other "cultures". Then again - I don't believe this is part of Afgan culture at all anyway. I think that happens when survival bias due to war and destruction over a long period of time leads to very fucked up people climbing to the top of a society. At the end of the day - or maybe rather at its start - the US is partly responsible for Afghanistan…
Disgustingly, it is a longstanding cultural thing in Afghanistan. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/dancingboys/ Don't let the modernity of 1960s Kabul fool you. I have a teenage student sold into sex slavery in the US. The weak (or in her case, homeless and orphaned) are targeted no matter what the culture. For more moral turpitude, check out Rotherham. * I work with folks from the US's Office on Trafficking i…
Are you aware of the political and societal implications and surroundings of f.x. the cases around Jimmy Savile or Marc Dutroux?
Maybe you should watch some documentaries about that to realize that this is by the same token part of any "culture".
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#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
Disgustingly, it is a longstanding cultural thing in Afghanistan. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/dancingboys/ Don't let the modernity of 1960s Kabul fool you. I have a teenage student sold into sex slavery in the US. The weak (or in her case, homeless and orphaned) are targeted no matter what the culture. For more moral turpitude, check out Rotherham. * I work with folks from the US's Office on Trafficking i…
Are you aware of the political and societal implications and surroundings of f.x. the cases around Jimmy Savile or Marc Dutroux? Maybe you should watch some documentaries about that to realize that this is by the same token part of any "culture".
Why the hostility? You said that you didn't think this was a longstanding part of Afghani culture and I brought up a documentary that was linked in the article you posted saying that, in fact, pederasty was a longstanding part of Afghani culture. There are plenty of people in Afghanistan who oppose it, but that doesn't mean it's not an accepted part of the culture.
As for "culture", we may be better describing this as a societal failure in the case of Rotherham. Note, I mentioned Rotherham, not Jimmy Savile. The sexual exploitation in Rotherham was disgusting and was allowed to happen for years. It was a failure on the part of the predators (obviously) and a failure on the part of the local governmental structure who largely knew about it.
In the Americas we have cases like my student's. Human trafficking is a big big thing and that it goes on isn't because of isolated individuals but because of large organizations of procurers, pimps, money launderers, etc., who are able to work because so many folks choose to turn a blind eye to it.
Let's be clear, here, I'm not saying that human trafficking or pederasty has widespread acceptance in the West. I am saying that there are cultural (or subcultural, whatever) groups for whom it is acceptable.
Modernity ≠ moral
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#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
How can you say this when you very well know, eating pork means killing innocent animals, keeping them locked down, in the same way these people are holding small children locked down and abusing them. Eating pork is as much abuse as is abusing little children, or even more, as the animal is brutally killed, a thinking, living being. You cannot just put animal rights aside like that, this is probably along the lines…
This is literally the stupidest thing I've read on HN in a very long time. Bravo intrepid commenter for declaring the consumption of meat to be worse than the sexual abuse of small children. You've done a disservice to vegans and vegetarians, everywhere.
Wait till the news about some group who fights for animal righst so much that they want to get rid of predators come to HN.
Yes, it does exist.
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#70"Afghan soldiers told to ignore American Allies' eating pork" Well, reading this you might think "how can that compare to raping boys? Boys are human beings and human beings have rights, just like you and me? But at the same time a Muslim may consider refusing to eat pork a law by god which is way higher than anything considering humans. The point I try to make is this: In an intercultural environment you need to acc…
Correct me if I am wrong, but while your argument might have some legitimacy, in this particular case it sounds as if you believe that rape is actually something culturally acceptable in these parts of the world. It is not, and FYI, Islam forbids 1- homosexuality, 2- rape. This phenomena SHOULD be fought against -because it is wrong, and the child is being abused here- especially by the people who are there to spread…
Now the question is, what Islam considers to be homosexual act and what is rape. I've read, that being the penetrating side is not considered to be homsexual. As for the rape, you can guess.