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Re: “This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News until Tuesday”

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Post by EGreg » Mon, Sep 21, 2015, 5:18 AM UTC

Here is the thing

I don't know if a war on ads is coming. I mean, the Browser Sexurity Handbook details how 3rd party cookie policies are pretty schitzophrenic across browsers already (MSIE requires a privacy policy, Safari requires a "visit" to a domain which can be accomplished by POSTing into an iframe, Firefox does something else, and Chrome thankfully just works).

But regardless, we should be moving past ads and to deals. Past eyeballs and to saving people time. Past destination sites and to tools that help people. Past building online personas and to improving real world experience. Ads means "here please click maybe you'll like this and eventually pay money for something." It's not the best we can do.

Before the web, people used to have more real connections in real life. Look at pictures from before 1990 - people were out and knew others from their neighborhood! Now they compulsively check their phones every time they emit a sound because of some notification, and verbal communication has devolved into kthanxbai lol... and the lol is almost never an actual laugh. Think about it.

Re: “This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News until Tuesday”

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Post by danboarder » Mon, Sep 21, 2015, 5:21 AM UTC

intopieces wrote: post #69

danboarder wrote: post #23

This reminds me of the early days of CompuServe and Prodigy, which had exclusive content*. It worked for a while until the open web became the bigger audience that dwarfed all others. I think the big players now may be repeating patterns of the past. Open standards tend to trump closed platforms over time. If this is the case it presents an opportunity to create a new open version of what Apple is doing now. Web 4.0?…

>Open standards tend to trump closed platforms over time. The opposite is true, and what is happening to the Internet is another example. Telephone, Radio, and Film used to be open but they have since been cornered by cartels. Tim Wu explains this excellently in his book, "The Master Switch."

I will check out that book, thanks. But the history of the web shows how an open network killed the content silos of AOL, Prodigy, Compuserve, etc. Yes, now things seem to be swinging back, perhaps due to the popularity of mobile apps and poor user experience of the mobile web.

Re: “This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News until Tuesday”

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Post by modfodder » Mon, Sep 21, 2015, 5:21 AM UTC

softbuilder wrote: post #39

fixxer wrote: post #32

Well, looks like somebody found a "cure" for adblock ;) I miss the Wired of ten years ago. Now whenever I pick one up I am immensely disappointed by the hype and marketing. I remember it being more rigorous with respect to both journalism and technical acumen. Edit: or not, per other post regarding adblock coming soon to apple.

>I miss the Wired of ten years ago. This is what I said ten years ago! In truth Wired has always been a lot of hand-wavy hype wrapped around bits of legit interest. I think you just outgrow it eventually.

Those bits of interest have become more mainstream and the same content can be found in more detail elsewhere. 10-20 yrs ago Wired was often the first place to get that information (or at least the first without digging).

Re: “This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News until Tuesday”

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Post by simula67 » Mon, Sep 21, 2015, 5:22 AM UTC

gizmo686 wrote: post #62

dweekly wrote: post #58

HTTP ERROR 418 Wrong Client The client you are using does not currently have access to this resource but may in the future as specified by the Expires header in the response. The user should either switch to a supported client as specified in the response body to access this resource or the current client should retry at the specified date. The current client MUST NOT retry the resource before the specified date.

HTTP 418 is already reserved for teapots whom have been requested to make coffee (RFC2324, section 2.3.2[0]) [0] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2324

We can use existing REST methodology to serve coffee from coffee pots. Send a POST request to the coffee pot with parameters for the required type of coffee. The server on the coffee pot responds with 200 OK if it can process the request and makes the coffee. 500 if there was a problem.

WHEN method is unnecessary, use GET to retrieve status.

"418 I'm a teapot" is also unncessary, just use 500.

What a short sighted protocol.

Re: “This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News until Tuesday”

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Post by Animats » Mon, Sep 21, 2015, 5:33 AM UTC

"Meet the Superstar Architect Transforming NYC’s Skyline" sounds like an ad, anyway. That's not time-critical information. The fluff news in "Dwell", "Food and Wine", and "Drive" sections of many major newspapers are now generated by Demand Media and others of that ilk. This may be a non-problem.

When we start seeing articles about presidential debates, wars, and other major events handled that way, it's time to pay attention.

Re: “This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News until Tuesday”

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Post by threeseed » Mon, Sep 21, 2015, 5:49 AM UTC

SyneRyder wrote: post #33

This could backfire. Surely this should result in a Google penalty against Wired.com for publishing thin content? https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/2604719?hl=en If Wired wants the article to be exclusive on Apple News, fine, but in that case it should not be on the website. Keep it exclusively on Apple News. There is no content on this page beyond a headline.

It should be fine if they add it to their robots.txt file.

It could alongside the other interesting exclusions: http://www.wired.com/robots.txt

Re: “This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News until Tuesday”

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Post by pen2l » Mon, Sep 21, 2015, 5:56 AM UTC

JohnTHaller wrote: post #74

SyneRyder wrote: post #33

This could backfire. Surely this should result in a Google penalty against Wired.com for publishing thin content? https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/2604719?hl=en If Wired wants the article to be exclusive on Apple News, fine, but in that case it should not be on the website. Keep it exclusively on Apple News. There is no content on this page beyond a headline.

Google should penalize sites that do that exactly the way they are penalizing sites with banners telling visitors to get their app. If you want your content on the web and have the benefits of it being on the web (searchable, linkable, etc) put it on the web. If you want it "exclusively on Apple News", put it there. But you shouldn't get to have your cake and eat it too.

Why do you think Google is on your side, and will pull it from the results? Precedents [1] would indicate that it will appease moneyed interests, and dish out penalties in unequal terms.

[1] http://genius.com/Genius-founders-rap-genius-is-back-on-goog...

Re: “This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News until Tuesday”

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Post by jMyles » Mon, Sep 21, 2015, 5:57 AM UTC

intopieces wrote: post #69

danboarder wrote: post #23

This reminds me of the early days of CompuServe and Prodigy, which had exclusive content*. It worked for a while until the open web became the bigger audience that dwarfed all others. I think the big players now may be repeating patterns of the past. Open standards tend to trump closed platforms over time. If this is the case it presents an opportunity to create a new open version of what Apple is doing now. Web 4.0?…

>Open standards tend to trump closed platforms over time. The opposite is true, and what is happening to the Internet is another example. Telephone, Radio, and Film used to be open but they have since been cornered by cartels. Tim Wu explains this excellently in his book, "The Master Switch."

It seems ominous if you regard telephone, radio transmission, and the internet as three different things. The pattern appears to be that an innovation lands and is then co-opted by pre-existing powers, who find ways to cause its open nature to be less attractive and instead morph it into something closed and read-only.

However, if you view these things (and many others) are part of the same progression of the human species, things look quite a bit brighter.

Re: “This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News until Tuesday”

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Post by jameslk » Mon, Sep 21, 2015, 5:58 AM UTC

This is the wrong direction. What users want are unobtrusive ads and what content creators want is to get paid. Apple and Facebook are trying to take advantage of this by pushing users to their AOL-esque walled gardens. We need a browser standard for built-in unobtrusive ads or payments so content creators can get paid and users don't get stuck with AOL 2.0.

Re: “This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News until Tuesday”

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Post by danlindley » Mon, Sep 21, 2015, 6:00 AM UTC

intopieces wrote: post #69

danboarder wrote: post #23

This reminds me of the early days of CompuServe and Prodigy, which had exclusive content*. It worked for a while until the open web became the bigger audience that dwarfed all others. I think the big players now may be repeating patterns of the past. Open standards tend to trump closed platforms over time. If this is the case it presents an opportunity to create a new open version of what Apple is doing now. Web 4.0?…

>Open standards tend to trump closed platforms over time. The opposite is true, and what is happening to the Internet is another example. Telephone, Radio, and Film used to be open but they have since been cornered by cartels. Tim Wu explains this excellently in his book, "The Master Switch."

I don't think that's necessarily the natural direction- as you say, it's just that more powerful players are, in the case of the Internet, now able to push their influence until it results in a monopoly over information. What we are seeing is a result of the failure of our systems- I still believe that open standards will tend to trump closed platforms over time, if they are allowed to.