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Microsoft has developed its own Linux: in-house software-defined networking OS

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Re: Microsoft has developed its own Linux: in-house software-defined networking OS

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Wow, I'm currently making nearly the exact same switch, albeit on a smaller scale. I'm currently in charge of a lot of old ASP.NET applications but for the new flagship thing we're looking at ASP.NET 5 on Linux on Azure (BizSpark), Go where it makes sense performance-wise or problem-wise and possibly Postgres instead of SQL Server, although I'm not sure on that last bit yet.

The last bit we're doing it because we got financially fucked by the core licensing changes in SQL 2012.

Got any info on that? I need to justify Postgres at $EMPLOYER

Re: Microsoft has developed its own Linux: in-house software-defined networking OS

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https://cygwin.com/

What if you start a java process in cygwin? Path names mess me up.

Cygwin does not alter the behaviour of existing programs. It is a DLL that can be compiled into new programs to provide lots of POSIX/Linux compatibility. It also comes shipped with lots of pre-compiled Linux binaries of common tools.

If you run your pre-existing JRE, its behaviour won't change. If you run a JRE compiled with cygwin (I've no idea if they provide one or not) then it will have UNIX-style path support.

Re: Microsoft has developed its own Linux: in-house software-defined networking OS

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The GPL is a cancerous license, and Ballmer had to trash open source. That was their business model and they were using the OSS association against Novell. Edit: For those of you downmodding me for saying that the GPL is a cancerous license, please understand that this isn't a negative connotation - it's simply an aspect of the requirements of the license. It's very likely a good thing, and part of the reason that Li…

The GPL is not a cancerous license, if I would use a negative adjective to describe it, it would be: misused . I understand when people wants to keep making FOSS better by releasing entire projects with a GPL license, but I don't understand when people release simple stuff such as a code example with a GPL license...

The GPL is a cancerous license. If you use GPLed code, your code must (almost always) become GPLed, thus the GPLed codebase grows. If a GPLed project use other OSS code, it tends to be able to keep those changes, but the opposite can't generally be reciprocated (You can't take GPLed aspects of Linux and port them to a project under the BSD license without changing the license of that software).

This is not a bad thing. It sometimes sucks, but overall it's helped preserve the ecosystem and it has been integral, IMHO, in making sure companies stay honest with their upstream OSS meal tickets.

Re: Microsoft has developed its own Linux: in-house software-defined networking OS

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I'd quite like to see the NT kernel with gnu userland, and unixy virtual filesystems. There's no denying the NT kernel is an excellent piece of engineering.

https://cygwin.com/

MSYS2 can be nicer, depending on what you're doing.

Re: Microsoft has developed its own Linux: in-house software-defined networking OS

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Interix. Microsoft's Unix. It runs on the NT kernel alongside win32 as another process personality. Most windowses come with the Interix core, and you can get the userland part from Microsoft --- it's called Services For Unix these days, I think. It even comes with GCC. It's a pretty nice piece of work, behaving just like an old school Unix. But it's largely been abandoned by Microsoft and is buggy as hell and diffic…

Interesting. I didn't know they had a replacement after they dumped the POSIX kernel personality in Windows XP. Wikipedia says that "Interix will not be included in Windows versions after Windows 8" though. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interix

...that page cites one of my projects as a reference? May all the gods have mercy on our souls...

Yeah, it's obviously been destaffed at Microsoft. There's a blog, last updated years ago. http://blogs.msdn.com/b/sfu/

I know it's likely to be impossible, but if anyone at Microsoft's reading this (and chances are they are), whacking all the source code up on codeplex or github would be awesome. It worked so, so much better than Cygwin.

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The last bit we're doing it because we got financially fucked by the core licensing changes in SQL 2012.

Got any info on that? I need to justify Postgres at $EMPLOYER

http://www.method180.com/1500-price-increase-on-sql-server/

Re: Microsoft has developed its own Linux: in-house software-defined networking OS

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The first Unix I ever touched was Microsoft's Xenix. Wikipedia says MS first released Xenix in 1980.

For a while, Xenix was the best-selling Unix under the sun. (But not the Sun. It ran on commodity 16-bit IBM PCs.) ((I refuse to resist puns. They just flow through me.))

(((Flowing like Sun light through Windows.)))

Re: Microsoft has developed its own Linux: in-house software-defined networking OS

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> Microsoft is 10 years from death if it does not embrace Linux. FWIW, I remember people saying this in 1999 as well...

The IBM comparison is really apt. IBM hasn't died, they used to dominate like Microsoft, with all the same underhanded tactics, and they eventually came around. There's also the "culture wars" to consider, where many (myself included) revered IBM for superior alternatives (OS/2), while old timers would just shake their head at anyone trusting them. Now, I shake my head at anyone trusting Microsoft, although they've t…

IBM at its peak was much more dominant than Microsoft ever was. Microsoft -- thanks to IBM (via PC DOS and Basic) -- eventually became the IBM of software. But Intel became the IBM of processors, Cisco the IBM of routers, Google the IBM of the web, and so on. IBM was the IBM of everything.

Incidentally, Microsoft co-developed OS/2 and there were only three problems with it: (1) you couldn't sell PCs running OS/2 -- IBM tried; (2) you couldn't get software houses to write programs for OS/2 -- except maybe Lotus; and (3) you couldn't get end users to install it. You had to install a whole OS to run OS/2, but Windows installed just like any other DOS program, and you could delete it if you decided you didn't like it.

Re: Microsoft has developed its own Linux: in-house software-defined networking OS

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Don't know anyone's ages here, but is anyone fascinated by the historical implications of this? I started using Linux in the 90's and the talk in the community at the time was "world domination". It seems to me that's happened--more or less behind the scenes, but it's happened.

I couldn't disargee more about Microsoft's current place in tech markets. They've lost quite a lot of weight since their 800lb gorilla days in the 90s. They used to exploit their dominant market position to replace de-facto standards with their own: kerberos "extensions", creating ActiveX instead of just implementing NPAPI, removing JNI from the MS JVM. But they can't do that any more. They lost too much ground under…

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Re: Microsoft has developed its own Linux: in-house software-defined networking OS

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Don't know anyone's ages here, but is anyone fascinated by the historical implications of this? I started using Linux in the 90's and the talk in the community at the time was "world domination". It seems to me that's happened--more or less behind the scenes, but it's happened.

Yes, Linux has dominated the commodity server space. Look what happened to Sun & Solaris. But what about the desktop? Back in the late 90s there was much talk of how the Linux desktop would take over, KDE vs Gnome etc. IBM and Sun backed Open Office, Andy Herzfeld launched Nautilus. And then it didn't happen. MS still owns the business desktop with Windows & Office. And MS still has a big chunk of the consumer deskto…

The desktop market is still mostly Windows & MacOS, but if we instead look at client devices in general, Microsoft is losing quite badly: Android (running a Linux kernel) and iOS (BSD-derived, like MacOS) have almost all of the market share, with Windows struggling to make much of a dent.
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