Why are you ending every sentence with a question mark? It makes you sound unsure?
It's the either-or fallacy, also known as the false dilemma, and commonly employed by internet forum bullies.
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Why are you ending every sentence with a question mark? It makes you sound unsure?
It's the either-or fallacy, also known as the false dilemma, and commonly employed by internet forum bullies.
Akathisia is a side effect of antidepressants that causes an intense inner restlessness and inability to sit still. This can cause agonizing pain and terrible anxiety, and people can resort to extreme behaviors to relieve their symptoms, often becoming violent.
This has been known for a while now. If you look at the references on the Wikipedia page for akathisia, you find one paper linking antidepressant-induced akathisia to violence from 2006:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1564177/
Quoting from that paper on akathisia:
“Increased tenseness, restlessness, insomnia and a feeling of being very uncomfortable”.
“On the first day of treatment he reacted with marked anxiety and weepiness, on the second day felt so terrible with such marked panic at night that the medication was cancelled”.
“The first few doses frequently made them anxious and apprehensive. They reported increased feelings of strangeness, verbalised by statements such as ‘I don't feel myself’ or ‘I'm afraid of some of the unusual impulses I have'’.
"Events such as these in clinical trials of antidepressants have commonly been coded under headings such as agitation, emotional lability, and hyperkinesis (overactivity), and only rarely to akathisia."
The good thing is that you can treat akathisia with common medicines already used to treat anxiety, such as benzodiazepines. The bad thing is that since information on side effects has been suppressed, patients are not likely to know what is happening to them and how to treat it, won't get the help they need, and run the risk of hurting themselves or others.
My wife was nearly a victim of this particular drug in the late 1990s. They have no idea how much shit they caused people by withholding this information. Several years of people's lives destroyed. I doubt they will acknowledge it or even apologise let alone offer compensation. When I say they, I don't mean the faceless corporation or brand, but the individuals who made this decision, ran the initial trials and pushe…
They do.
I've been seeing this pop up on all the major news outlets and science websites, but still have not seen one mention of the side effect that may be behind both increased risk of suicide and increased risk of violent behavior: akathisia. Akathisia is a side effect of antidepressants that causes an intense inner restlessness and inability to sit still. This can cause agonizing pain and terrible anxiety, and people can…
I hope I'm not a total tin foil hatter by looking askew at this trend, but being married to a neurologist and the son of a behaviorist, I'm VERY aware of how little we understand what we're doing when we muck around up there.
Now let's find out if this anti-depressant really helps anyone, or is it just another terrible drug with horrid side effects? If it doesn't help better than placebo; take it off the market? Let's throw out all those lousy studies that were done in the 90's and later? Let's start fresh--study these antidepressants, and get rid of them(adolescents, adults alike) if they really don't help anyone besides doctors, and dru…
Not always, people can be depressed for long periods.
Now let's find out if this anti-depressant really helps anyone, or is it just another terrible drug with horrid side effects? If it doesn't help better than placebo; take it off the market? Let's throw out all those lousy studies that were done in the 90's and later? Let's start fresh--study these antidepressants, and get rid of them(adolescents, adults alike) if they really don't help anyone besides doctors, and dru…
The claim that SSRIs are no better than placebo is increasingly popular on the internet and among some researchers eager to make headlines, but the claim is not backed by the data. At best, it represents a misunderstanding of how the studies work, what they're showing, and how surprisingly effective placebo is in cases of mild depression.
Scott Alexander has already done a great job debunking these claims: http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/07/ssris-much-more-than-yo...
> I do know drug companies have pretty much stopped all research in new anti-depressants. Why--they were caught with their pants down, lying, hiding bad studies, and fooling doctors and patients alike with their Slick claims.
This incident is deplorable and highlights a huge problem in our clinical trials process that needs to be addressed, but your extrapolations here not only don't make sense but they are flat-out incorrect.
There is quite a huge amount of research on new antidepressants. In the past few years alone we've added Vilazodone and Vortioxetine to our arsenal, both of which are primarily SSRIs but have some additional properties that might reduce the side effects due to requiring lower doses. We also have Levomilnacipran which is the first SNRI that favors norepinephrine over serotonin, which can be very helpful in some patients.
There are many interesting compounds in the pipeline as well, from rapid-acting compounds for addressing suicidal patients (ketamine infusion, esketamine nasal spray, GABA-A5 antagonists) to completely novel antidepressant compounds: opiod-modulating drugs like ALKS-5461 which have been very impressive in clinical trials, NMDA and sigma-1 antagonists, mGluR5 antagonists, NR2B antagonists, some very impressive BDNF modulators, anti-glucocorticoid strategies, and so on.
Contrary to your claims that "ruthless drug companies" have stopped all research, this is the most exciting time for anti-depressant research we've ever seen.
My wife was nearly a victim of this particular drug in the late 1990s. They have no idea how much shit they caused people by withholding this information. Several years of people's lives destroyed. I doubt they will acknowledge it or even apologise let alone offer compensation. When I say they, I don't mean the faceless corporation or brand, but the individuals who made this decision, ran the initial trials and pushe…
Hopefully they're scared shitless right now because of the talk around the GM recall case. Politicians are throwing around the idea of criminal charges because they didn't disclose safety problems soon enough. My first thought was "what about pharma?" Not sure what I think of the idea, but some folks in pharma are certain to be following that case.
Now let's find out if this anti-depressant really helps anyone, or is it just another terrible drug with horrid side effects? If it doesn't help better than placebo; take it off the market? Let's throw out all those lousy studies that were done in the 90's and later? Let's start fresh--study these antidepressants, and get rid of them(adolescents, adults alike) if they really don't help anyone besides doctors, and dru…
These are very powerful drugs, and are almost certainly grossly overprescribed. But they definitely work for "major depression" (which has a clinical meaning behind it).
Just another anecdotal data point.
Now let's find out if this anti-depressant really helps anyone, or is it just another terrible drug with horrid side effects? If it doesn't help better than placebo; take it off the market? Let's throw out all those lousy studies that were done in the 90's and later? Let's start fresh--study these antidepressants, and get rid of them(adolescents, adults alike) if they really don't help anyone besides doctors, and dru…
> (If you happen to be depressed, I can guarantee it gets better as you age, or with time. Hang in there. Not always, people can be depressed for long periods.
Why are you ending every sentence with a question mark? It makes you sound unsure?
I've been noticing that as a nasty habit picking up steam on HN. It's usually the commenter talking down to a previous commenter.