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Re: Candy Japan hit with credit card fraud

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Interestingly enough I found this subthread from an HN Post earlier today to be very relevant: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10234561

> Regarding his fraud issue, I found that my website was being used in the same way when I added a credit card payment form. I implemented a system that first does an "Auth". If that passes, then I pass details to MaxMind and get back a response with a "riskScore". If the score is too high, I void the auth and decline the transaction. This has saved me a lot of chargeback fees, though it's still not perfect. I prefer PayPal because a "not authorized" just reverses the transaction; there is no chargeback fee.

- Osiris (HN user)

IMO, there's more worth reading in that subthread. It's an interesting topic, at least to me. I feel sympathy for any merchant that has to go through this kind of pain.

Re: Candy Japan hit with credit card fraud

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Second article in one day mentioning how bad credit card fraud can be to handle, especially for smaller sites. I wonder if there might be an opportunity there? Or if the solutions have to be so custom that it'd be impossible to work out.

From the article, it sounds like they are working in using an existing fraud detection service, would be interesting to see what goes into that sort of service.

Re: Candy Japan hit with credit card fraud

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Interestingly enough I found this subthread from an HN Post earlier today to be very relevant: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10234561 > Regarding his fraud issue, I found that my website was being used in the same way when I added a credit card payment form. I implemented a system that first does an "Auth". If that passes, then I pass details to MaxMind and get back a response with a "riskScore". If the score…

This issue is so costly and prevalent that I feel its a huge disservice for companies that offer credit card services to merchants to not either 1) mention this issue and recommend a fraud check service, or 2) include fraud protection in their service.

I actually ran into an issue a little while ago in that I allowed my MaxMind account to run out of queries. Not realizing this, I saw a few days of higher than normal sales but just assumed it was a good day. When the first chargeback came through, I immediately noticed the problem, bought more credits, then began to go through each transaction one and a time and noticed a pattern in the email addresses (all two words followed by 3 numbers @hotmail.com) and individually refunded each and every one of them.

I still got chargebacks but I was able to dispute them by showing that the transaction had already been refunded.

My ideal credit card would be on where the physical card has e-paper on it with a 6-digit PIN that changes periodically, like 2-factor auth, and that PIN could be required for purchases to be authenticated. The new smart-chip cards don't help at all with online purchases, only point of sale.

On a side note, I found that nearly all of my fraudulent purchases came from Vietnam to the point that at one time I put in an IPTABLES rule to block the entire country.

Re: Candy Japan hit with credit card fraud

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Second article in one day mentioning how bad credit card fraud can be to handle, especially for smaller sites. I wonder if there might be an opportunity there? Or if the solutions have to be so custom that it'd be impossible to work out.

There is a huge opportunity there for companies like Stripe to buy eg MaxMind and integrate a quality risk scoring system directly into their payment solution. It's an obvious product expansion for someone like Stripe. Kind of hard to believe they haven't already gone after this.

Re: Candy Japan hit with credit card fraud

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Shouldn't the credit card companies be the ones to handle the loss?

You would wish so:). But no. Merchants are on the hook for all costs, including penalties for incoveniencing the cc companies (either a set fee per fraudulent transaction, or high fees if exceeding thresholds of fraud if you are a larger guy).

Re: Candy Japan hit with credit card fraud

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Interestingly enough I found this subthread from an HN Post earlier today to be very relevant: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10234561 > Regarding his fraud issue, I found that my website was being used in the same way when I added a credit card payment form. I implemented a system that first does an "Auth". If that passes, then I pass details to MaxMind and get back a response with a "riskScore". If the score…

Osiris' info was useful. I really also need to put in some fraud detection like that. But there are so many companies providing that service, I'm not sure which one to go with. How involved is it to integrate these?

It's not my idea of fun to try look at these transactions manually, so until I get a motivation boost to go through with the integration it'll probably be PayPal-only.

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